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they were complex narratives of being

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taken by alien beings into UFOs on beams

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the Air Force is trying to cover up with

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from my own point of view I'm going to

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be very disappointed if UFOs turn out to

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be nothing more than visitors from

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another planet because I think there

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hey guys welcome back to disclosure team

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I'm your host Vinnie Adams good to see

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you uh it seems like this Wednesday live

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interview thing is working out really

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well so uh I think going forward I'm

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going to try and do that you know

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consistently I am recording a few

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interviews now or starting to record a

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few more interviews which will go out

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a few days before to YouTube members and

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patreon members

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um because you know I'd be lucky enough

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to have people willing to support me in

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that way so I feel like I owe them

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something and so this is just a thank

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you to them but all my interviews will

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come out with you know within a

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reasonable amount of time

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um going forward so thank you guys for

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that

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um as always please keep the live chat

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cool calm and collected it is okay to

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have differences of opinion but let's

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just uh treat each other with a bit of

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respect and uh not get into any slanging

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matches I'd appreciate that uh one final

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thing before I bring my guest in for the

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past year and a half since I've been

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doing this show I've had multiple

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companies and people approach me for

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sponsorship and and I've not resonated

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with any in the past because it's got to

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be something that I you know I'm happy

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to promote but I'm finally able to say

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that I have got my first sponsor and it

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is a novel it is this novel here called

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29 degrees north and it's a novel about

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uh impending cataclysms in North America

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and Europe the kind of Hollywood movie

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style easy to read book I highly

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recommend it it's about seven bucks if

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you're into reading and you're like a

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good uh fun novel that you can't put

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down the link is in the description it's

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in pinned in the in the live chat if you

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want to read a book and support the

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channel at the same time you're able to

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do so that way

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okay guys cool

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right I'm really looking forward to this

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conversation

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um I've been following John's work for

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many years and this is the first time

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that I've spoken to him face to face

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we've had a few conversations behind the

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scenes but we're going to get into it

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today lots of things to cover if you do

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have any questions pop them in capital

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letters and I'll try and ask them at

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some point so let's get into it guys

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please welcome John Greenwald John how

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are you I'm good how are you yeah not

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bad at all thank you for being here of

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course it's my pleasure I've been

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looking forward to it thank you uh for

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the invitation ah anytime anytime well

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John I think the best place to start and

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I know I mentioned to this you uh this

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to you before we came on is I'd love to

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just go back to your early days and what

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got you into into foia and the UFO

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subjects as well so if you wouldn't mind

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just giving us a bit of an overview

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that'd be great thank you of course of

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course uh yeah it's uh it's been a long

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time now I'm I always feel so old when I

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time stamp it but uh back in 96 I was 15

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just fell in love with the mystery of

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UFOs as we all have it was not based on

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an experience but rather I was just

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curious and yeah you look even back then

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was Alta Vista at the time and you know

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you search and there were still hundreds

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of thousands of websites but I was so

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frustrated by just kind of the lack of

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evidence and the contradicting stories

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and you know you didn't know what to

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believe and I learned about this thing

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called the Freedom of Information Act

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from a website that had the 1976 Iran

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incident document on it so for anybody

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who loves UFO history the 76 Iran

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incident is is an amazing one and I read

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it and thought there's no way that

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that's real and it said it was like it

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read my mind the web page said if you

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doubt that it's legitimate you can use

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this thing called the Freedom of

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Information Act to get it I was like

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well what the heck is that and uh it

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taught you how to do it and and I just

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kind of fired it off and sure enough

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that four-page document was real and I

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went back to the internet and

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frantically looked for more because

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there's a certain even though we all

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doubt the government we know the US

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government lies right and that's

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provable it's not even a conspiracy to

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say stuff like that so we know that but

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there was some kind of legitimacy to

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have that government document sent to

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you from the U.S government and you read

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it and you go wait a minute they say

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there's nothing to UFOs and yet here's a

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UFO that turns into not two but three

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other UFOs kind of like a mothership is

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the only description to really kind of

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give this we have one main craft and

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multiple ones coming out of it according

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to this government document and you go

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this can't be real so I went back to the

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internet and tried to find more stuff

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like that but nobody in 96 was really

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doing it there was one website that had

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some text documents on it and uh I think

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that was the computer UFO Network but

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there wasn't um a website that you could

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see the documents and that's what I

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wanted and so what I did was I started

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using the Freedom of Information Act and

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then as I was getting the documents I

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built the website that I was looking for

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so now fast forward 26 years uh I've

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collected about 3.2 million Pages

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they're all online you can download them

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for free but The Black Vault is

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essentially the evolution of what I was

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looking for as a 15 year old kid but I

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never found and that was a free resource

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you could go on download the information

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and in some cases my record's 14 and a

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half years to wait for a foia request to

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wow be processed and the documents to

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come wasn't a UFO related request but

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regardless 14 and a half years is a heck

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of a long a long time to wait and so

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what I um really loved about the idea

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and why I didn't want to ever let it go

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was that what took me 14 and a half

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years to get Vinnie can go online and

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download it like that and that's why I

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love what I do because again give so

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many people access to this information

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and it's unfiltered it is absolutely how

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people can take it from there so that's

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that's my nutshell story now that's

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amazing honestly and I I've been

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using documents now for about 13 years

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and Black Vault was the first place I

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started you know you know I was going on

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that was like the the main resource so

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you know you've helped me a lot over the

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years so you know I have to to uh to

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highlight that I really do appreciate it

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thank you um so how you know you you

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file these reports and some of them say

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years how do you do you catalog what

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you've sent have you got a good system

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in place how does that work yeah I wish

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I started when I was 15 doing that I

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didn't I was about 2 000 for your

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requests in when I real and I forget how

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many years that was but I realized I

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needed a better system and so I created

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uh my own database and I designed my own

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uh back-end database nobody sees it but

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me meaning it's not like a public

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website or whatever sure and I just

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archive like I archive all the requests

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that go in and keep track of what's

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opened uh what's you know being

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processed and then what's closed so at

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this point I'm well over ten thousand

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five hundred foia requests since I

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started but that doesn't include the

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follow-ups and you know the back and

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forth so one request could have you know

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five to to eight to ten back and forth

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but the actual individual cases is over

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ten thousand five hundred and it's it's

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still a very difficult task to to keep

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on top of because there are so many and

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then a lot of times you get so backed up

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that that you forget about them a lot of

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times and I try and keep reminders on

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the real important ones but sometimes

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you know you'll go years and then you'll

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get a response I'm like oh my God I

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forgot I requested that and and it's uh

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it's a laughable thing but it gets

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frustrating quite a bit so I try and

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keep up on it and and keep hounding them

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about cases that that start to get a

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little bit old

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yeah now I can imagine have you ever

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been sent anything like that you

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shouldn't have been sent have they ever

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made mistakes along the way like

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anything

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detail about this the answer is yes

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um it's happened a few times it's

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nothing there was no like amazing state

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secret that came my way so let me let me

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make sure I say that yeah but yeah

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mistakes have been made and I'm not out

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to to blow anybody's privacy or or

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especially reveal any classified

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information so

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um you know I worked with with them to

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to get that information back but they're

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human you know it's more so a lot of

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times Exempted information versus

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classified information and essentially

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what that means is it's unclassified

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information but you know it could be as

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uh easy as somebody's name or you know

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uh contact information that they don't

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want out in the open and I'm not into

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doing this for exposing people's cell

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phone number and stuff like that so

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mistakes have been made but it nothing

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nothing extraordinary I haven't seen the

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the Roswell wreckage anybody's curious

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no I had to ask I had to ask I've got a

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question we've got a question here from

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Walter he says how many of those

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requests have been closed

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gosh I I don't have an exact number in

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front of me I don't have the database up

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but I would estimate I've I've got

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five six hundred open requests right now

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that's kind of a rough estimate but you

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know rough roughly around there a lot of

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requests too really quickly on that note

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because it's a great question a lot of

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times you file a request and it depends

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on the agency but some of them can be

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closed very quickly so a document could

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be already tagged for public release

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it's just not available online so you

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file on a Monday and if the agency isn't

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like a big one like CIA or Dia but maybe

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a smaller office sometimes you'll get it

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in a week or two and then they just

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close it so it it it's a lot easier on

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the processing while other ones are much

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more complicated and can take years

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yeah and I think am I right in saying

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that a lot of the requests come in on a

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Friday if if you get something yeah I've

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seen I've seen you tweet out every now

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and again you know it's Friday what am I

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going to get boy or Friday we cross our

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fingers yeah we call it foyer Friday and

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uh generally they wait for the Weekly

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News cycle to go away and you know drop

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something towards the close of of

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business day on on a Friday and I I

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don't really get the logic especially

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this day and age because you know they

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can write the story through the weekend

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and publish it Monday so what's the

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difference you know

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um so I I think they still find strategy

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in that but yeah we we do we do have

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that uh kind of running joke about foia

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Friday

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yeah no absolutely and one thing I you

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know you obviously we we get new cases

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cropping up here and there and and that

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so I I imagine uh correct me if I'm

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wrong that you are straight into foyer

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mode and you're shooting off requests

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left right and Center so what's the kind

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of process when it comes to that

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yeah it depends on on kind of a

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case-by-case basis uh and by case I just

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mean what are the what am I going for

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what kind of information am I seeking

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and that sometimes seems easy but it's a

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very challenging thing to try and figure

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out what could be available uh the foia

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allows you to essentially go after

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anything and as long as it is a

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government record or if somebody sends

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in a message to specifically about

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emails so let's say I write or you write

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a government person

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that becomes foiaable and so you can go

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after those Communications and I've

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received a lot of those which can become

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very interesting when you see scientists

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that are not government personnel and

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their email addresses and and email

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boxes are not subject to the foia but if

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they start communicating with NASA all

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of a sudden they become foilable and

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that's where it becomes very interesting

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because

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you can then go after let's say NASA

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administrator Bill Nelson's email box or

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Dr David spurgle the the one that's part

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of the UAP effort with NASA and so you

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just start putting your thinking cap on

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going okay let's try and figure out you

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know what is the best approach to this

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and emails are a fascinating thing to

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dig into because again you start opening

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up into what would be a non-foia Arena

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but all of a sudden it became subject to

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the foia and and so that's great to kind

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of see that communication they of course

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redact personal information and and

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stuff that again is on more of a

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personal nature so some may kind of

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cringe and go oh wait a minute are you

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trying to get you know people's personal

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information and and dig into their

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private Communications and that's not

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what it's about uh but more so what is

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the again I'm honing in on the NASA UAP

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as an example the investigation but like

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what's going on with that you know like

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who are they talking to who are they

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extending invitations to take part in

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and so you really kind of dig there but

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those aren't the only things that are

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subject to foia go after different

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reports periodic reports like annual or

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quarterly reports so it really depends

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on the situation the topic and the

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agency but then you just kind of sit

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down and and try and figure out what the

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best mode of attack is and and kind of

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go for it the challenge though is not

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being too broad if you say give me

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everything you got on UAP generally it's

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going to get rejected that's not how it

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works so you have to hone in on what

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exactly you're looking for and it can

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get very challenging at times but it's

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an awful lot of fun to try and figure

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out the best way to weed something out

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yeah and I imagine that's just a skill

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that you've naturally kind of built up

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over the the years that you've been

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doing this um and I have to apologize

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for jumping back onto our previous point

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but yoni's got a great question here she

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says do you let some just fade out if

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they don't respond or do you keep

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pushing on every single one thank you

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for all your work John

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and uh you're very welcome thank you for

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that uh it's a great question no I never

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lose interest in the requests uh so I

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will

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when it's going to be processed

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generally a government agency won't just

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like

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you know put it in the trash can

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generally have I had the oh we never got

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it yeah I've had that a couple times and

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that's very frustrating but generally if

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you have a case number it'll it'll be

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completed the government likes to do a

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tactic called what we call still

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interested letters and the still

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interested letters which are very very

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frowned upon and the Department of

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Justice which which kind of oversees the

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foia efforts has put out agency-wide

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memos saying you know essentially don't

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use these but and that was years ago

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they still use them and the agency will

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sometimes sometimes take two four even

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six or eight years to then send you a

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still interested letter and go hey well

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you know this was five years ago when

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you requested this are you still

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interested if you are you have 30 days

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to get back to us if you if we don't

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hear from you we close the request and

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it's so frustrating because sometimes

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you may not see it and they'll close the

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request so a little extra information

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there but to go back to the question I

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never really lose interest uh just

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mainly because I am an advocate for

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preserving that history so generally if

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I'm going after something through foia

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uh there's there's a there's a reason

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for it and I just don't like to to see

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that information lost no I appreciate it

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yeah yeah

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um and I mentioned there about filing

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new requests when new cases come up this

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week obviously we had Jeremy corbell's

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latest the the mosul sphere so uh I

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guess my first question is have you

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fired off any Freedom of Information

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requests on that

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yes yeah

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I I hate to admit that I didn't uh I

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didn't see the broadcast live I was

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sound asleep uh I I get up very early to

436
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work but uh when I woke up was was

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surprised to see that they had dropped a

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new still frame uh image from a video

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and yeah uh there's there's one thing

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that I will say about Jeremy Corbell

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that there's not really anybody that I

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can think of other than maybe George

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Knapp uh as well that I can say this

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about and that is when they come out

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even though it's an anonymous source and

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it's leaked information his track record

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from 2021 to date has been pretty solid

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and what I mean by that is the Pentagon

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has acknowledged the leaks that Jeremy

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Corbell has published and George Knapp

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as well the Pentagon has acknowledged

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that it's real information taken by the

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U.S Navy you know depending upon the

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case but taken by the U.S Navy and uh

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are being utilized by the UAP task force

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and so that's one thing that I always

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like to point out about Jeremy because

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that absolutely fascinates me to no end

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because generally when leaked

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information comes out even if it's

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unclassified Fighter for official use

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only generally it's pretty mum you know

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the government doesn't want to talk

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about leaks and stuff like that and in

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2021 in the ramp up to the UAP report

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that that came out that first one yeah

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the government was leaking like a sieve

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right there's like a leak in a leak here

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and a leak here and a leak here and they

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just like all these images were flying

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at us and the Pentagon was like Yep this

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one's real Yep this one's real yep we

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utilize this one and I'm like how is

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this happening like why why are they so

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quick in one particular case I literally

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got a an acknowledgment within hours

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that the information was real and that

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it was being utilized by the UAP task

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force what I didn't get was a

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confirmation that it depicted a

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unidentified object and that's key here

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when discussing all of this does the

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government consider it a unidentified

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aerial phenomena or anomalous phenomena

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whatever their new acronym is can't keep

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them straight I give up but regardless

487
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like do they designated a true UAP and

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it's unidentified or is this designated

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UAP but they determined it's a fill in

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the blank balloon drone whatever it may

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be uh and I never got them to admit to

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that in 2021 but I did get them to admit

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that it was real information fast

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forward to this one here we go again you

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know after a long lull of nothing we

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have a new one so I've fired off the

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foyas but also contacted the public

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affairs office at the Pentagon to try

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and get comment like I have in the past

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um yes that that does include

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everybody's favorite person Susan Goff

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but I also wrote the duty officer for

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the media relations department to

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essentially see uh if Beyond Susan

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goff's involvement uh can they speak to

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the leak themselves because I'm not

507
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trying to get anybody in trouble uh but

508
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but this is obviously a viral story so

509
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it's not like the pentagon's like oh we

510
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just found out about this from John no I

511
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I mean it's it's everywhere at this

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point with all these media Outlets

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picking it up so what I want to know is

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what's going on like how is it that this

515
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is being allowed and the dod just sits

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back and goes you know who cares yep

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that's real information that's I mean

518
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you you go back to Edward Snowden leaks

519
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or other people who have leaked

520
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information to the general public a lot

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of them are in hiding a lot of them are

522
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wanted for multiple you know crimes uh

523
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waiting to see the inside of courtroom

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so you don't have that with UAP and even

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though the classification may be

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different I know a lot of people

527
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probably jump on me that Edward Snowden

528
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was leaking highly classified top secret

529
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material and this is supposedly

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unclassified to to the government itself

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it's still a leak and a security concern

532
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and so that was what was always

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confusing to me uh where the Pentagon

534
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said no that they weren't investigating

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it back in 2021 and I just always

536
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scratched my head going why you know

537
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like was this was this wanted meaning

538
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like were they okay with it out in the

539
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open did they want it out in the open I

540
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don't know I really wish I had the

541
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answer to it uh but here we go again and

542
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we'll see what happens but this one they

543
00:21:20,029 --> 00:21:18,660
seem to be very mum about it they

544
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,039
they're not talking at all I haven't

545
00:21:25,610 --> 00:21:22,400
gotten any response whatsoever

546
00:21:28,130 --> 00:21:25,620
I granted it's only been a day and a

547
00:21:30,529 --> 00:21:28,140
half but I wrote them very very early

548
00:21:32,810 --> 00:21:30,539
yesterday morning when I saw it just to

549
00:21:34,850 --> 00:21:32,820
kind of get the comment and as you and I

550
00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:34,860
are chatting here the next day midday

551
00:21:40,250 --> 00:21:37,320
still nothing bye

552
00:21:42,409 --> 00:21:40,260
and and Jeremy and George you know they

553
00:21:44,330 --> 00:21:42,419
claimed or stated that this image was

554
00:21:45,770 --> 00:21:44,340
from a four second video and there's

555
00:21:47,450 --> 00:21:45,780
been a lot of people saying well where's

556
00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:47,460
the video and there's been no kind of

557
00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:49,380
comeback on that but would you imagine

558
00:21:53,450 --> 00:21:51,000
that that is actually a classified video

559
00:21:57,289 --> 00:21:53,460
even if it's four seconds long

560
00:22:00,590 --> 00:21:57,299
if if what Jeremy is saying is true that

561
00:22:03,770 --> 00:22:00,600
the still would be unclassified no I

562
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:03,780
would imagine that that four seconds of

563
00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:06,960
a video would not be either

564
00:22:12,169 --> 00:22:09,539
um that would be 120 still frames

565
00:22:14,090 --> 00:22:12,179
essentially right so you know you're

566
00:22:17,690 --> 00:22:14,100
talking about 120

567
00:22:19,549 --> 00:22:17,700
still frames of a four second video if

568
00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:19,559
one of them is considered unclassified

569
00:22:24,289 --> 00:22:22,260
all 120 would be that's the way I would

570
00:22:26,029 --> 00:22:24,299
look at it okay I can't see that

571
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,039
anything would pop up in that four

572
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,039
seconds that would determine it to be

573
00:22:33,409 --> 00:22:31,440
um to be classified but again that's

574
00:22:35,930 --> 00:22:33,419
that's on the assumption that this is

575
00:22:37,130 --> 00:22:35,940
truly unclassified it's not that I doubt

576
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,140
Jeremy

577
00:22:41,870 --> 00:22:40,080
but how did he determine that and that's

578
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:41,880
what I'm curious about because

579
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:44,400
information like that especially when

580
00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:46,880
you have all of the graphical display of

581
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:49,740
geo coordinates and stuff like that

582
00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:52,320
the difference between this and stuff in

583
00:22:58,970 --> 00:22:55,980
the past is it is a war zone and it has

584
00:23:04,370 --> 00:22:58,980
now put U.S equipment

585
00:23:06,289 --> 00:23:04,380
and a Recon flight in a specific area on

586
00:23:08,029 --> 00:23:06,299
a specific date

587
00:23:09,850 --> 00:23:08,039
and I can tell you just away from the

588
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:09,860
UAP conversation

589
00:23:16,970 --> 00:23:13,440
generally stuff like that is very

590
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,980
secretive and and it's because you start

591
00:23:20,510 --> 00:23:18,720
you start seeing where the players on

592
00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:20,520
the chess board are and when they were

593
00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:22,620
there and generally the US doesn't like

594
00:23:28,669 --> 00:23:25,140
that so A lot of times when you see like

595
00:23:31,970 --> 00:23:28,679
FLIR videos or Recon videos that are

596
00:23:33,529 --> 00:23:31,980
shot over enemy territory uh we may know

597
00:23:36,409 --> 00:23:33,539
that it's Iraq we may even know that

598
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,419
it's mosul but they'll either redact or

599
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,120
blur those outer lines and a lot of

600
00:23:43,970 --> 00:23:41,760
times the blur will then make a

601
00:23:46,430 --> 00:23:43,980
classified video unclassified simply by

602
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,440
removing that information so what made

603
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:48,480
it classified was not the visual imagery

604
00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:52,320
but rather the heads-up display so that

605
00:23:56,210 --> 00:23:54,360
I'm you know it's not that I doubt

606
00:23:58,430 --> 00:23:56,220
Jeremy but I want to know like exactly

607
00:24:00,529 --> 00:23:58,440
how he was able to determine it was

608
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:00,539
unclassified and and the last point I'll

609
00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:02,960
give is even if it is unclassified

610
00:24:08,990 --> 00:24:05,700
there's still generally a four official

611
00:24:12,110 --> 00:24:09,000
use only or Foo designators on

612
00:24:14,450 --> 00:24:12,120
unclassified information especially data

613
00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:14,460
that comes from a war zone

614
00:24:18,169 --> 00:24:16,980
um active war zone or not so there's I

615
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:18,179
think there's a lot of unanswered

616
00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:20,460
questions on this that may at this point

617
00:24:24,529 --> 00:24:22,260
have the Pentagon and this is just a

618
00:24:26,510 --> 00:24:24,539
guess I'm just speculating but now that

619
00:24:28,850 --> 00:24:26,520
they're seeing this caliber of

620
00:24:30,649 --> 00:24:28,860
information leaking they may take a step

621
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,659
back and go okay before we start

622
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,640
confirming all this let's figure out

623
00:24:35,450 --> 00:24:34,080
what's going on and how we're going to

624
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,460
handle it and I think that that's maybe

625
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:36,960
what we're seeing

626
00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:39,120
and because it's potentially not

627
00:24:43,610 --> 00:24:41,940
classified and it's unclassified

628
00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:43,620
does you know I was going to ask before

629
00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:45,240
you finish that I started thinking of

630
00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:46,860
the question that does that mean you can

631
00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:48,840
just request it through foia that look

632
00:24:52,610 --> 00:24:50,460
it's not unclassified if I ask for it

633
00:24:54,350 --> 00:24:52,620
you can give it me but does it go into

634
00:24:55,789 --> 00:24:54,360
sources and methods still a little bit

635
00:24:57,169 --> 00:24:55,799
that it becomes like it's not that

636
00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:57,179
straightforward

637
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,820
uh yes

638
00:25:03,649 --> 00:25:01,919
um it gets into a complicated territory

639
00:25:06,289 --> 00:25:03,659
but yeah essentially

640
00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:06,299
we know the aircraft but we know the

641
00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:08,460
aircraft from Jeremy Corbell would the

642
00:25:13,070 --> 00:25:10,260
government sanction giving us that

643
00:25:15,409 --> 00:25:13,080
reconnaissance aircraft with the

644
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:15,419
platform on board maybe yes I I don't

645
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,740
know the answer to that but these are

646
00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:18,720
questions that that essentially lead

647
00:25:24,169 --> 00:25:21,480
into can you just assume that all of

648
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,179
this is unclassified information

649
00:25:28,850 --> 00:25:26,159
um but but now we're naming the the

650
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,860
Recon aircraft over a specific Target on

651
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:31,200
a specific date in a war zone again all

652
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,419
of those are are now getting into a very

653
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,760
sensitive territory even though it was

654
00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:37,860
2016.

655
00:25:41,149 --> 00:25:40,140
um can you foia that yes you can also do

656
00:25:43,549 --> 00:25:41,159
what's called a mandatory

657
00:25:46,250 --> 00:25:43,559
declassification review if it is

658
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:46,260
classified a prime example of this is

659
00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:49,260
the classified version of the UAP report

660
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,120
the 2021 had a classified brother that

661
00:25:58,730 --> 00:25:56,400
went along to Congress in addition to

662
00:26:00,529 --> 00:25:58,740
the public so I went after that through

663
00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:00,539
What's called the MDR process which is

664
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:02,820
slightly different from foia I did the

665
00:26:08,690 --> 00:26:05,340
same with the quote unquote 2022 report

666
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:08,700
that was released in 2023 but in the

667
00:26:12,830 --> 00:26:10,860
same method you can do that with videos

668
00:26:15,049 --> 00:26:12,840
you can do that with photos you can do

669
00:26:18,169 --> 00:26:15,059
that anything classified and request

670
00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:18,179
them to review it and the the fact that

671
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,480
it's been leaked and has circulated does

672
00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:22,799
not automatically mean a

673
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:25,140
declassification can take place you know

674
00:26:29,450 --> 00:26:26,880
that they could essentially still deny

675
00:26:31,789 --> 00:26:29,460
the the the the the release through foia

676
00:26:33,289 --> 00:26:31,799
or MDR even though the real ones

677
00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:33,299
floating around out there

678
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,299
no absolutely I appreciate that and I'd

679
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,679
love to I could you know I could talk

680
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,120
about Freedom of Information for the

681
00:26:43,610 --> 00:26:41,279
whole interview but let's just move it

682
00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:43,620
outside for a minute and you know a lot

683
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:45,299
of this subject and a lot of people that

684
00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:46,799
have kind of been following this really

685
00:26:51,649 --> 00:26:49,020
kind of came into it after the 2017 New

686
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:51,659
York Times and ttsa and all that kind of

687
00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:52,980
thing but obviously you've been into

688
00:26:57,169 --> 00:26:55,380
this since just after the mid 90s and so

689
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:57,179
from that period from the mid 90s to

690
00:27:01,490 --> 00:26:59,580
2017 how does that compare to what we've

691
00:27:03,529 --> 00:27:01,500
seen in the last sort of five or six

692
00:27:05,810 --> 00:27:03,539
years post 2017

693
00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:05,820
you know how does it look from someone

694
00:27:09,409 --> 00:27:07,740
that's been in both is it is it very

695
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,419
different or were the moments in that

696
00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:11,760
that past bit that were quite exciting

697
00:27:15,289 --> 00:27:12,840
as well

698
00:27:18,049 --> 00:27:15,299
no it's very different I wouldn't hide

699
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,059
from that for a second I mean it is a

700
00:27:22,909 --> 00:27:20,640
different conversation and I split my

701
00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:22,919
answer in two ways to you and I'll deal

702
00:27:28,010 --> 00:27:25,799
with the The Optimist part of me first

703
00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:28,020
which is we have the government and

704
00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:31,080
politicians talking about UAP and UFOs

705
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:33,480
and there is an active effort to

706
00:27:38,510 --> 00:27:36,080
investigate whatever these phenomena are

707
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:38,520
and I think that is absolutely

708
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,380
fascinating prior to 2017 the whole Crux

709
00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:46,320
of my research was aiming towards the

710
00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:48,179
fat the reality the fact it was

711
00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:50,220
irrefutable that the government was

712
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,159
saying hey we don't care about UFOs we

713
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:55,200
we don't investigate them we stopped in

714
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,279
1969 quit bothering us but for years I

715
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:01,440
lined up all the pieces of evidence to

716
00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:04,740
show that for years and decades after

717
00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:08,220
Project Blue Book ended there was ample

718
00:28:13,370 --> 00:28:10,140
evidence that whatever these phenomena

719
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:13,380
were were still a concern to the CIA eia

720
00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:14,960
the DIA

721
00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:17,640
and the United States Air Force

722
00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:20,340
specifically had information showing

723
00:28:25,549 --> 00:28:23,100
that UFOs were being reported and

724
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,559
recorded by the U.S Air Force the

725
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:27,840
military agency that's been oddly mummed

726
00:28:34,610 --> 00:28:31,679
throughout this past couple of years uh

727
00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:34,620
go back 15 plus years there were manuals

728
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:36,600
that the Air Force did not want to talk

729
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:38,820
about that had unidentified flying

730
00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:41,460
objects in them that's all provable they

731
00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:43,320
were active manuals they were not left

732
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:46,260
over I proved that they were edited in

733
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,360
in 2000 2002 and 2003 UFO stayed in it

734
00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:54,240
and then it wasn't until the Huffington

735
00:28:58,190 --> 00:28:56,460
Post at the time was going to profile it

736
00:29:00,529 --> 00:28:58,200
because they were doing a story on The

737
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,539
Black Vault and they asked me about some

738
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:02,880
documents I gave them that and then

739
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:06,539
literally within uh days the Pentagon

740
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:10,080
took the entire chapter out on UFOs and

741
00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:11,760
replaced it with something else it's one

742
00:29:15,409 --> 00:29:13,140
of the most fascinating stores stories

743
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:15,419
but my whole point is is that you had

744
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:18,720
small nuggets of of of winds to show

745
00:29:24,529 --> 00:29:20,460
that the government was active in this

746
00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:24,539
cover-up through 2017. then enter Luis

747
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,460
Elizondo then the atip story then

748
00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:28,559
everything just kind of fell onto our

749
00:29:32,810 --> 00:29:30,840
laps that there was there were these

750
00:29:35,630 --> 00:29:32,820
other efforts going on so the

751
00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:35,640
conversation changed and that's what was

752
00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:37,500
fascinating because for me I just call

753
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:41,399
it the post 2017 ufological era you know

754
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,320
because

755
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:44,880
pre-2017 is an entirely different

756
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:48,000
history post 2017 now you have we're

757
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,340
talking about it it's in Congressional

758
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:52,559
legislation there's active efforts going

759
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:56,220
on but here's the pessimist part of me

760
00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:57,720
secrecy

761
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:00,419
arguably I know not everybody will agree

762
00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:04,080
with me here the secrecy is deeper and

763
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:07,140
it has deepened to a point where one

764
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:12,240
hundred percent of UAP information from

765
00:30:15,950 --> 00:30:14,340
2020

766
00:30:20,090 --> 00:30:15,960
and Beyond

767
00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:20,100
uh it's gone it's 100 classified and

768
00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:22,260
they have denied I know you want to get

769
00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:23,880
away from foia but just to use that no

770
00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:27,000
no please do it's fine every legal way

771
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,340
to access that information so even

772
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,440
though they release the flear the Gimbal

773
00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:34,320
and go fast and that was about a

774
00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:36,059
two-year effort which we found out later

775
00:30:42,769 --> 00:30:39,000
was actually tied to a foia case that I

776
00:30:45,889 --> 00:30:42,779
had through DOD and the Navy and behind

777
00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:45,899
the scenes I had put up the case and an

778
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,360
argument to have them release that based

779
00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:50,880
on every public statement that they gave

780
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:53,640
about them which was their undoing there

781
00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:56,100
was no way that they could hold those so

782
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:58,200
now they've released those three the

783
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,120
security classification guide comes in

784
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:02,399
for UAP so they have a whole guide about

785
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,000
how to classify UFOs that has shut down

786
00:31:10,090 --> 00:31:08,240
the release of anything else officially

787
00:31:12,889 --> 00:31:10,100
Everything 100

788
00:31:15,289 --> 00:31:12,899
and there was a story I wrote last year

789
00:31:17,389 --> 00:31:15,299
about that very topic where the Navy

790
00:31:20,029 --> 00:31:17,399
specifically said everything that they

791
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:20,039
have classified from top to bottom they

792
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:22,140
will not release anything so that's the

793
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,760
pessimist side of me where you have this

794
00:31:28,370 --> 00:31:25,919
conversation that's changed and yeah

795
00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:28,380
politicians are involved and all that is

796
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:31,380
fantastic but in the same respect we

797
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:33,679
have now found ourselves with a

798
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:36,720
deepening secrecy all tied to that

799
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,220
security classification guide that's

800
00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:40,559
going to be something that'll haunt a

801
00:31:45,409 --> 00:31:43,380
lot of us as as researchers for years to

802
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,419
come because the government doesn't want

803
00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:47,760
to release anything and I tried to get

804
00:31:52,909 --> 00:31:49,500
the Pentagon a few weeks ago when they

805
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:52,919
did their Aero media Roundtable uh sure

806
00:31:57,889 --> 00:31:55,140
you heard about that I tried to get them

807
00:32:00,649 --> 00:31:57,899
to address their

808
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:00,659
uh statements of transparency in the

809
00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:02,399
hopes that they wanted to share with you

810
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:05,700
and I an openness era of you know this

811
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:07,799
is what we're doing but how do you

812
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:10,740
couple that with the reality of you know

813
00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:13,080
people like me trying to get this stuff

814
00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:15,899
but it is classified from top to bottom

815
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:17,580
and how do you marry those two

816
00:32:21,649 --> 00:32:19,740
statements and I have waited ever since

817
00:32:24,049 --> 00:32:21,659
Susan Goff did did tell me that she

818
00:32:25,789 --> 00:32:24,059
would take my questions uh emailed

819
00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:25,799
because they didn't call on me in the

820
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:28,919
round table which I wasn't too surprised

821
00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:31,740
over but I was in line they asked do you

822
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,240
want to do you want to ask a question I

823
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:36,000
said yes and uh they never called on me

824
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:37,679
but that was one of the two that I

825
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,480
wanted to ask was was how do you marry

826
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,760
those two statements and I and I'm not

827
00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:44,399
sure how they're going to answer that

828
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,740
um so it's it's

829
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,720
there's a lot of good and a lot of that

830
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:51,360
is is kind of the quick way to to

831
00:32:55,490 --> 00:32:53,940
explain what's going on right now yeah

832
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:55,500
absolutely and I mean Christopher melon

833
00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:56,700
and many of the people have talked about

834
00:33:02,269 --> 00:32:59,580
the over classification of information

835
00:33:03,889 --> 00:33:02,279
regarding UAP but is that something that

836
00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:03,899
you've been surprised by when you've

837
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:06,299
maybe filed a foia request and be like

838
00:33:08,930 --> 00:33:07,679
well I'm not asking for much but then

839
00:33:11,210 --> 00:33:08,940
you've gotta

840
00:33:13,490 --> 00:33:11,220
you know a no result or or something

841
00:33:14,690 --> 00:33:13,500
that's clearly they're over classifying

842
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,700
that is that something that's happening

843
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:16,320
can you can you say it when something

844
00:33:21,169 --> 00:33:18,960
like that happens specifically to UAP

845
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,179
yes I I mean it's it's clear over

846
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,039
classification because it literally is

847
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:25,440
everything and and I wish I was

848
00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:27,480
exaggerating with that but it literally

849
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:29,700
is everything when it comes to UAP now

850
00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:32,340
I've been able to extract some documents

851
00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:35,100
uh PowerPoint presentations that allude

852
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,380
to UAP events but details literally are

853
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:39,360
Black Dahlia blacked out Pages top to

854
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,820
bottom so it's very very tough to to get

855
00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:43,919
that that information out so the over

856
00:33:50,269 --> 00:33:45,899
classification thing is absolutely real

857
00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:50,279
when it comes to UAP how do we fix it is

858
00:33:54,889 --> 00:33:52,260
is something else entirely and that's

859
00:33:57,769 --> 00:33:54,899
what I've been trying to essentially go

860
00:34:00,169 --> 00:33:57,779
through the public affairs office with

861
00:34:02,269 --> 00:34:00,179
my desire to write about this and get

862
00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:02,279
answers which I haven't yet but also

863
00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:04,620
through the legal means because there's

864
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:07,080
a reason why why real Journal I don't

865
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,879
consider myself a journalist but real

866
00:34:13,310 --> 00:34:10,560
journalists out there working for the

867
00:34:15,649 --> 00:34:13,320
big media Outlets out there utilize the

868
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:15,659
foia and it's because you can only go so

869
00:34:21,409 --> 00:34:18,000
far with a spokesperson it's the foia

870
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:21,419
that truly does produce Real Results I

871
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:24,060
mean it's it's it's it's it's requiring

872
00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:26,760
a lot of Band-Aids in a way but I refuse

873
00:34:32,329 --> 00:34:29,460
to say it's broken because uh not even

874
00:34:34,810 --> 00:34:32,339
with just UAP it will produce a lot of

875
00:34:37,970 --> 00:34:34,820
phenomenal pardon the pun information

876
00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:37,980
that spokespeople won't so it's still a

877
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:39,780
very powerful tool but I'm trying to

878
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:43,200
figure out how is it that the three UAP

879
00:34:47,930 --> 00:34:45,899
videos were released in the way that

880
00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:47,940
they were again years after they were

881
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,220
leaked but regardless they finally were

882
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:52,320
officially released how is it that those

883
00:34:57,470 --> 00:34:55,260
are the only three that they can release

884
00:35:00,589 --> 00:34:57,480
now everything else is just classified

885
00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:00,599
and I ended up losing my appeal

886
00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:03,900
and the appeal was to their decision to

887
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,180
withhold everything else and it's an

888
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:08,880
Untold number of videos my case for the

889
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,660
photos is still open I kind of expect a

890
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:14,880
similar response uh but with

891
00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:18,119
specifically to UAP videos they claim a

892
00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:19,619
hundred percent of what they have is is

893
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:21,900
classified and I don't have an answer to

894
00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:25,200
it I really don't because uh

895
00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:28,140
it is clear that they just don't want

896
00:35:34,370 --> 00:35:30,300
the general public to know anything

897
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,380
about UAP but in the same breath they

898
00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:36,000
want to tell you that they're telling us

899
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,820
everything about UAP and that it's you

900
00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:40,800
know explainable in a lot of ways and

901
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,260
it's trash and clutter and whatever

902
00:35:47,089 --> 00:35:45,359
farce that that New York Times thing was

903
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:47,099
uh but they're not really telling you

904
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:49,140
the reality that approximately whatever

905
00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:51,720
half or whatever the exact percentage is

906
00:35:56,930 --> 00:35:55,320
they still can't identify and so they're

907
00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:56,940
just going to tell you one side and and

908
00:36:01,370 --> 00:35:59,640
not the other so it's reinforcing for me

909
00:36:05,089 --> 00:36:01,380
that there's absolutely something there

910
00:36:07,069 --> 00:36:05,099
but that that that deepening secrecy is

911
00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:07,079
such a challenge to overcome and I'm not

912
00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:09,300
sure how we can fix it

913
00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:11,220
yeah absolutely I'm you know we've had

914
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:13,260
statements from Harry Reid and many of

915
00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:15,240
the people that what we've seen in those

916
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,400
three videos is kind of the the bottom

917
00:36:21,410 --> 00:36:18,960
of the rung you know and there's so much

918
00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:21,420
clearer and better stuff out you know

919
00:36:25,010 --> 00:36:22,859
that's that's there within the

920
00:36:28,329 --> 00:36:25,020
government somewhere that you know maybe

921
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,339
we won't ever see it um

922
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:30,720
luellizondo has talked about this 23

923
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,460
minute video is there any way that that

924
00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:34,560
can be put into a fire request or is it

925
00:36:38,750 --> 00:36:36,540
just too vague because we don't have any

926
00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:38,760
sort of real information on where it may

927
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:40,680
reside or who may have taken it and and

928
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:42,540
that not just for the 23 minute video

929
00:36:48,410 --> 00:36:46,140
but anything like that can you kind of

930
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:48,420
shoot off requests in a direction that

931
00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:50,579
might actually allude to these videos

932
00:36:53,329 --> 00:36:52,500
existing within the Pentagon or the

933
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:53,339
government

934
00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:56,700
yeah and and to answer your question you

935
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:58,680
can absolutely request it is it too

936
00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:01,680
vague very much so right doesn't mean I

937
00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:04,020
won't try and and I do have a request to

938
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:07,260
open for it uh his IG complaint when it

939
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:09,480
was published by the New York Post went

940
00:37:14,270 --> 00:37:11,460
into detail about a video that was

941
00:37:16,370 --> 00:37:14,280
shared with Neil Tipton who at the time

942
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,380
uh you know was was working he's

943
00:37:21,710 --> 00:37:18,720
actually still there but was was working

944
00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:21,720
at the Pentagon and sent an email with

945
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:24,900
the subject that UFO video and so that's

946
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:27,300
a little bit more specific and I have

947
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:29,040
been working on that for quite some time

948
00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:32,400
I'm not trying to give a tease uh but

949
00:37:36,349 --> 00:37:34,140
I'm hoping that that request is coming

950
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,359
to a close I have fought considerably

951
00:37:42,170 --> 00:37:39,599
hard to get that finalized I am

952
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,180
surprised how it's coming out because

953
00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:44,880
I'm trying to figure out like what you

954
00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:48,119
know who's what's the truth here and and

955
00:37:53,390 --> 00:37:50,460
it's really really difficult to try and

956
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:53,400
navigate uh finding that out because

957
00:37:59,930 --> 00:37:56,640
Luis elizondo's IG complaint had that

958
00:38:02,450 --> 00:37:59,940
that title but if he was off just by a

959
00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:02,460
couple characters you know or if it

960
00:38:07,310 --> 00:38:05,700
wasn't that UFO video it was this UFO

961
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:07,320
film I know that sounds silly but I'm

962
00:38:12,650 --> 00:38:10,260
just using that as a as a juxtaposition

963
00:38:13,849 --> 00:38:12,660
where if you have the wrong quote and so

964
00:38:17,089 --> 00:38:13,859
they okay well I'm going to search for

965
00:38:18,770 --> 00:38:17,099
that UFO video and that's negative so

966
00:38:22,970 --> 00:38:18,780
sorry John we have nothing but in

967
00:38:25,609 --> 00:38:22,980
reality it was that UFO film uh that's

968
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:25,619
potentially what's what's the problem so

969
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,480
you know I've tried to figure out ways

970
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,000
to get around those types of games try

971
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:32,880
and extract those those uh emails even

972
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:35,520
the video itself Luis Elizondo had

973
00:38:40,730 --> 00:38:38,880
referenced a drive a folder on one of

974
00:38:42,829 --> 00:38:40,740
the drives and I had a foia request in

975
00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:42,839
for that they denied that it it was

976
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,180
available or existed on any backup form

977
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,520
but we don't know you know that doesn't

978
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:49,200
mean anything I don't even think I wrote

979
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,320
about that simply because it's why you

980
00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:54,240
know I'm not going to make a big deal

981
00:38:59,630 --> 00:38:55,619
out of it because if it was a backup

982
00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:59,640
drive then in 2017 or 16 or 15 or

983
00:39:05,450 --> 00:39:01,560
whatever who's to say that they backed

984
00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:05,460
it up properly or if if uh if that was

985
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:08,220
even where the data was so yeah I don't

986
00:39:13,550 --> 00:39:09,960
even think I wrote about it but I tried

987
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:13,560
to tried to get it so whatever tidbits

988
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:16,560
come out from either Luis Elizondo or

989
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:19,260
anybody that works on the inside you

990
00:39:23,569 --> 00:39:21,900
look for those little little tidbits

991
00:39:25,849 --> 00:39:23,579
those little nuggets of information that

992
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:25,859
you can try and grasp onto and then file

993
00:39:30,349 --> 00:39:28,260
a foia and see what you can find out and

994
00:39:32,990 --> 00:39:30,359
and that's absolutely What I've Done

995
00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:33,000
whether it be the UAP reports that are

996
00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:34,619
published and I go through line by line

997
00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:36,660
seeing what you can try and figure out

998
00:39:41,569 --> 00:39:39,420
to the New York Post publishing the IG

999
00:39:44,089 --> 00:39:41,579
complaint seeing what I can figure out

1000
00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:44,099
and just kind of go from there yeah yeah

1001
00:39:47,329 --> 00:39:45,720
and I just brought this up from Don

1002
00:39:48,589 --> 00:39:47,339
because he just literally had popped

1003
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:48,599
this in just before you mentioned it

1004
00:39:53,150 --> 00:39:50,099
have you heard anything about the

1005
00:39:55,970 --> 00:39:53,160
contents of the Y project Drive

1006
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,980
uh not the contents no and that was the

1007
00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:57,599
one that I was I'm trying to pull it up

1008
00:40:01,609 --> 00:40:00,119
here but uh that was the one that I was

1009
00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:01,619
alluding to

1010
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:03,960
that uh

1011
00:40:09,170 --> 00:40:07,740
the OSD is saying uh essentially no no

1012
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:09,180
records

1013
00:40:13,490 --> 00:40:10,560
so I'm gonna see if I can pull out the

1014
00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:13,500
letters see if I have it but

1015
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,339
um here

1016
00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:16,079
's the final response hold on and again

1017
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,300
I didn't even write about this so this

1018
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:20,640
is all unpublished I don't think I

1019
00:40:23,410 --> 00:40:22,260
posted it no problem

1020
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:23,420
um

1021
00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:27,000
the yeah they gave it one second John

1022
00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:28,619
I've just lost audio

1023
00:40:33,550 --> 00:40:31,560
I think it might be my end bear with me

1024
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:33,560
no problem I'm still getting levels uh

1025
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:41,089
are you there still can you hear me

1026
00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:42,480
I can hear you

1027
00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:44,220
oh you're back it's all right I think

1028
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,960
it's my iPods running out of battery my

1029
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:48,480
airpods sorry oh okay there we go sorry

1030
00:40:52,970 --> 00:40:51,599
to interrupt you not a problem no uh if

1031
00:40:53,690 --> 00:40:52,980
if it is my side just let me know I've

1032
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,700
got

1033
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:55,440
levels though so just uh let me know if

1034
00:40:59,329 --> 00:40:56,940
I drop out again

1035
00:41:03,050 --> 00:40:59,339
I've got a little bit of crackle on your

1036
00:41:04,849 --> 00:41:03,060
end that I was getting on my airpods

1037
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,859
just for anyone in the live chat could

1038
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,720
you hear any crack yeah John's audio is

1039
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:09,119
distorted Ryan Sprague thank you Ryan

1040
00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:10,920
sure I can

1041
00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:13,320
well I haven't changed anything that's

1042
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:15,300
so strange I thought it was my earpods

1043
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:17,460
but everyone's saying John's crackling

1044
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:20,760
all right uh I can pop out of the room

1045
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:22,320
real quick and then come back yeah let's

1046
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:24,180
give that a whirl thank you John sorry

1047
00:41:28,810 --> 00:41:27,000
about that no no no no no problem no

1048
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,820
problem give me once

1049
00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:30,960
thank you everyone in the live chat that

1050
00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:32,460
I thought it was my airpods because

1051
00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:34,260
sometimes when the battery is low I kind

1052
00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:36,540
of I feel like they go a bit bit loopy

1053
00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:37,740
so

1054
00:41:42,290 --> 00:41:40,380
this is the the beauty of live uh

1055
00:41:43,970 --> 00:41:42,300
interviews you know technical issues

1056
00:41:47,810 --> 00:41:43,980
luckily it doesn't happen too often

1057
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:47,820
right let's see if that's fixed

1058
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:51,359
how is it that's perfect back to back to

1059
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:52,980
normal I ain't changed anything

1060
00:42:01,370 --> 00:41:58,910
um all right so so back to the uh uh to

1061
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:01,380
that y drive so I specifically filed on

1062
00:42:09,130 --> 00:42:06,599
that and on June 28 2022 uh for anybody

1063
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,140
who wants to verify this it was case

1064
00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:12,480
22f0952 they said no records but again I

1065
00:42:16,990 --> 00:42:15,180
I never wrote about it because you know

1066
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,000
that's something very hard to chase down

1067
00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:19,200
you don't know exactly what was on the

1068
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:20,040
drive

1069
00:42:23,329 --> 00:42:21,240
which would Define the record's

1070
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:23,339
retention schedule which would define

1071
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:24,660
whether or not it should still be there

1072
00:42:30,010 --> 00:42:25,680
so

1073
00:42:32,210 --> 00:42:30,020
come back and it's almost skipping your

1074
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:32,220
visuals are slight

1075
00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:34,260
I don't uh I don't

1076
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,060
I don't know what to do

1077
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,370
I don't have another audio Source it's

1078
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:42,960
just my mixer uh see now that's come

1079
00:42:47,089 --> 00:42:45,540
back that's all right again now

1080
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:47,099
I don't know if it's a bandwidth thing

1081
00:42:52,730 --> 00:42:49,619
or people are saying he's crackling and

1082
00:42:55,010 --> 00:42:52,740
fasting forward uh and lagging but

1083
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:55,020
you're back normal again that's really

1084
00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:56,520
strange

1085
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:57,960
all right

1086
00:43:01,849 --> 00:43:00,480
um well I turn the stereo audio off is

1087
00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:01,859
that any better

1088
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:05,220
I mean it does sound good again yeah I'm

1089
00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:06,960
just gonna check to make sure it's not

1090
00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:09,540
my end with the speed test but we can

1091
00:43:13,069 --> 00:43:10,980
carry on please sorry to keep

1092
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,079
interrupting but I know that the no

1093
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:15,359
that's okay I hope it's not my end

1094
00:43:18,770 --> 00:43:16,560
though

1095
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:18,780
um but anyway hopefully that all came

1096
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:19,980
out it just they're they're they're

1097
00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:22,140
they're not saying that anything is

1098
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,160
there

1099
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:25,680
um to to juxtapose that with the story I

1100
00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:28,319
wrote about the emails uh and Luis

1101
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:31,500
elizondo's emails uh that was a huge

1102
00:43:38,089 --> 00:43:33,720
discovery that I feel that they deleted

1103
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,099
the information prematurely and that

1104
00:43:42,290 --> 00:43:40,800
even in a grander scale I felt was

1105
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:42,300
incredibly important because how much

1106
00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:45,599
information are we losing uh but that

1107
00:43:50,030 --> 00:43:47,400
had specific

1108
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:50,040
uh targets to the foia request so I was

1109
00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:51,660
able to determine what the records

1110
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,420
retention schedule were uh what what the

1111
00:43:58,970 --> 00:43:56,880
records retention schedule was for Luis

1112
00:44:00,530 --> 00:43:58,980
elizondo's emails and it looked like

1113
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:00,540
that they deleted them well ahead of

1114
00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:03,119
schedule so was that a mistake was that

1115
00:44:08,990 --> 00:44:06,300
just lackadaisical record-keeping uh was

1116
00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:09,000
it some Grand conspiracy to cover up his

1117
00:44:14,089 --> 00:44:12,300
writing and emails I don't know but uh

1118
00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:14,099
that said they they were deleted

1119
00:44:19,309 --> 00:44:16,980
prematurely with the Y drive or the Y

1120
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:19,319
project folder impossible to know what

1121
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,540
was on there yeah I appreciate the

1122
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:23,760
answer definitely and the one thing

1123
00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:25,980
that's obviously quite uh

1124
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:27,900
in in everybody's mouths at the moment

1125
00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:30,480
the conversation pieces crash retrievals

1126
00:44:34,609 --> 00:44:33,000
and you know we can talk

1127
00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:34,619
well I was gonna say we can talk all day

1128
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:36,420
about Wilson Davis but we can't because

1129
00:44:40,730 --> 00:44:37,980
there's just probably not much point

1130
00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:40,740
because nobody really knows ins and outs

1131
00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:42,900
but speaking on Crash retrievals

1132
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:44,940
themselves has there any ever been

1133
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,260
anything in any of the documents that

1134
00:44:49,970 --> 00:44:48,240
you found that alludes to that is there

1135
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:49,980
anything that that you can think of off

1136
00:44:54,849 --> 00:44:52,020
the top of your head yeah I've had

1137
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:54,859
documents for years even well prior to

1138
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:58,680
2017 and even the atip years of the CIA

1139
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:02,640
having material of some kind and I did a

1140
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,740
video about this on my channel and and

1141
00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:06,480
essentially what they had was something

1142
00:45:10,849 --> 00:45:08,700
that was hand carried to another

1143
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:10,859
scientist in in the CIA this was years

1144
00:45:17,290 --> 00:45:14,700
after Blue Book right and the advice

1145
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,300
that the scientists gave was redacted

1146
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:19,920
and you couldn't really tell like what

1147
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,300
it was all about or even what the

1148
00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:23,760
material was but you could tell that it

1149
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:28,140
was material of of some kind and and it

1150
00:45:31,849 --> 00:45:29,460
was an interesting Discovery because

1151
00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:31,859
keep in mind the time frame that this is

1152
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:33,900
within 10 years of Project Blue Book

1153
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:36,480
ending and yet inside the walls of the

1154
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,599
CIA they're still looking at what

1155
00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:41,520
wreckage a piece of something who knows

1156
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,040
but there was material there and the

1157
00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:46,160
scientists were obviously intrigued

1158
00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:50,520
through the 1940s there was a UFO uh

1159
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:52,260
what they what they called a flying

1160
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,400
saucer case over Denmark and the

1161
00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:58,079
details of the case were essentially

1162
00:46:02,990 --> 00:46:00,660
non-existent but what was in there were

1163
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:03,000
photographs of something that was

1164
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:05,160
connected to this flying saucer from

1165
00:46:11,690 --> 00:46:09,060
Denmark now fast forward decades to I

1166
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:11,700
believe the 1980s there was a man by the

1167
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,640
name of Bob White and he had a UFO

1168
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:16,560
encounter I profiled him on a History

1169
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:18,780
Channel show that I had produced many

1170
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,720
many years ago and the short of it is he

1171
00:46:27,230 --> 00:46:24,480
saw this UFO it shot up towards the sky

1172
00:46:30,349 --> 00:46:27,240
to another UFO and as it shot up it

1173
00:46:33,230 --> 00:46:30,359
ejected this piece of material so he

1174
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,240
goes out and it's glowing red and he

1175
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,520
goes out and he thought it was hot but

1176
00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:37,440
as as he got near it he realized it

1177
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:38,940
wasn't hot at all he was actually able

1178
00:46:44,329 --> 00:46:41,640
to touch it right picked it up took it

1179
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:44,339
to his car put it in his trunk and it

1180
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:45,839
essentially stayed in I guess in his

1181
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,660
attic if I remember the story uh for for

1182
00:46:52,809 --> 00:46:51,359
quite a few years and then they ended up

1183
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:52,819
uh

1184
00:47:00,050 --> 00:46:58,079
was a big kind of UFO guy he learned

1185
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:00,060
about the cases hey bring it down well

1186
00:47:04,730 --> 00:47:03,359
anyway that case from the 1940s with the

1187
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:04,740
photographs of the picture from the

1188
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:07,260
Flying Saucer in Denmark had photographs

1189
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,020
of an object of some kind that was

1190
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:12,720
eerily similar to the one where this Bob

1191
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:15,420
White goes out and picks up an object in

1192
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:18,480
the desert now he did not according to

1193
00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:20,220
him of course he could be lying but

1194
00:47:25,609 --> 00:47:22,440
according to him he never knew about

1195
00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:25,619
these documents from the 1940s and so

1196
00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:27,480
you've got incidents that are separated

1197
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:29,940
by 40 50 years I forget his exact

1198
00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:33,359
incident date but 40 50 years on records

1199
00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:34,980
that really didn't see the light a day

1200
00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:37,859
for a while these guys stumbled upon the

1201
00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:39,720
documents on The Black Vault realized

1202
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:41,880
that there was a connection that's how

1203
00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:44,760
he and I met and look I'm not here to

1204
00:47:48,410 --> 00:47:46,140
say that that's a piece of an alien

1205
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,420
spacecraft or anything sure but that's

1206
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:50,640
pretty awesome that that there's

1207
00:47:56,210 --> 00:47:53,640
documents that talk about a a flying

1208
00:47:59,450 --> 00:47:56,220
saucer case where you have material

1209
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,460
serial photographs of this material and

1210
00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:01,760
then a UFO case from somewhere else

1211
00:48:07,550 --> 00:48:05,160
decades and decades apart and the object

1212
00:48:10,910 --> 00:48:07,560
that they retrieved from whatever this

1213
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:10,920
UFO was looked very similar to it so it

1214
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:12,780
was a really weird tie-in and of course

1215
00:48:17,809 --> 00:48:15,240
you know Skeptics can easily come up

1216
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:17,819
with stories and explanations they feel

1217
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:21,359
Bob hoaxed it he did pass multiple lie

1218
00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:23,940
detector tests we had reviewed all of

1219
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:25,380
that before we put them on the History

1220
00:48:29,390 --> 00:48:26,720
Channel

1221
00:48:32,329 --> 00:48:29,400
we I saw the piece I mean it's it's

1222
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:32,339
pretty interesting and again people can

1223
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,380
find identical ways to produce that

1224
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:35,760
piece but that doesn't really

1225
00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:38,640
necessarily negate what Bob had or the

1226
00:48:44,050 --> 00:48:40,740
experience it could just mean that they

1227
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:44,060
can yeah make that piece some somehow

1228
00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:46,680
but regardless could have been from some

1229
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:49,140
craft of some kind alien or otherwise so

1230
00:48:52,970 --> 00:48:51,420
it was a really interesting tie-in so to

1231
00:48:55,010 --> 00:48:52,980
go back to your question about material

1232
00:48:57,770 --> 00:48:55,020
there are documented incidents there

1233
00:49:00,250 --> 00:48:57,780
there's not a ton of them but documented

1234
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:00,260
incidents of material that they've had

1235
00:49:05,210 --> 00:49:03,480
now you've got I think it was I'm

1236
00:49:07,550 --> 00:49:05,220
drawing a blank if it was Moultrie who

1237
00:49:10,250 --> 00:49:07,560
said it but he said that that that

1238
00:49:13,849 --> 00:49:10,260
essentially the material that they've

1239
00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:13,859
seen uh didn't bring up any red flags

1240
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,740
you know uh and I'm paraphrasing there I

1241
00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:18,000
don't remember the exact quote but but

1242
00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:19,800
essentially it was just that

1243
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,020
but what did he admit to and this is

1244
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:24,480
where the foia comes into play he has

1245
00:49:31,970 --> 00:49:28,319
now said there's material so I can use

1246
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,980
that and say well look your guy just

1247
00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:34,079
admitted that there's material of some

1248
00:49:38,690 --> 00:49:36,660
kind whether it be a Chinese fighter or

1249
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:38,700
a Russian drone or it doesn't even

1250
00:49:44,089 --> 00:49:41,760
matter he referenced that material and

1251
00:49:46,490 --> 00:49:44,099
that is gold because now you can use

1252
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:46,500
that in a foia request and if they say

1253
00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:48,599
oh sorry we got nothing then you can

1254
00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:50,760
appeal it and go look you know one of

1255
00:49:56,089 --> 00:49:53,099
your guys said it not me so you must

1256
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:56,099
have something so was he making it up or

1257
00:50:00,349 --> 00:49:58,500
is there something else to be found so I

1258
00:50:03,050 --> 00:50:00,359
think that there's I think that part of

1259
00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:03,060
the story is Unwritten meaning that I

1260
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,920
think that that it's um

1261
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,960
hasn't really come to light in full yet

1262
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,400
I think that there's more to the story

1263
00:50:12,650 --> 00:50:11,280
and and yeah I've filed based on that

1264
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:12,660
statement I'm just drawing a blank on

1265
00:50:17,809 --> 00:50:14,760
the quote itself so I apologize but

1266
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,819
that's fine uh that said you know all of

1267
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,920
that is very very useful when trying to

1268
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:21,599
dig and dig and dig and find where that

1269
00:50:27,530 --> 00:50:25,020
material might be yeah no uh something

1270
00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:27,540
that's I I appreciate that that that

1271
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,880
answer that but something that's just

1272
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:31,680
flowing through the chat right now and

1273
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:34,920
it was in my DMs on social media is

1274
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,440
so many people really want to be able to

1275
00:50:41,450 --> 00:50:39,599
to do their own foil requests but they

1276
00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:41,460
seem to not know where to start is there

1277
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,020
do you have anything currently on The

1278
00:50:46,609 --> 00:50:44,880
Black Vault where it's like a a

1279
00:50:48,130 --> 00:50:46,619
beginner's guide or anything like that

1280
00:50:52,490 --> 00:50:48,140
is there is there anything you can

1281
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,500
advise yeah people I I don't but I get

1282
00:50:57,049 --> 00:50:54,240
that request a lot and I'm definitely

1283
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:57,059
wanting to to do kind of a short video

1284
00:51:01,490 --> 00:51:00,240
on it and and explain it um I can tell

1285
00:51:03,049 --> 00:51:01,500
you that your best friend if you're

1286
00:51:06,190 --> 00:51:03,059
getting into foia is going to be a

1287
00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:06,200
website called foia.gov

1288
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:09,000
foia.gov and essentially that's the road

1289
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:11,400
map to every single foia office for

1290
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:14,040
every single agency that you can foia on

1291
00:51:17,930 --> 00:51:16,260
a federal level and that's a great way

1292
00:51:20,750 --> 00:51:17,940
to start because that'll get you to

1293
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:20,760
where you want to go determining what to

1294
00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:23,520
request is then just simply up to you

1295
00:51:29,329 --> 00:51:27,300
and the easiest uh way that I can

1296
00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:29,339
explain this but also the best advice

1297
00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:32,099
that I can give you is skirt the line

1298
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,740
between not being too vague meaning give

1299
00:51:39,950 --> 00:51:37,280
me a everything on UAP

1300
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:39,960
because they'll reject that as being too

1301
00:51:45,890 --> 00:51:42,900
vague sure skirt the line between being

1302
00:51:47,569 --> 00:51:45,900
too vague and being too specific because

1303
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:47,579
if you believe that something happened

1304
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:50,819
in December of 2022 and you say give me

1305
00:51:55,609 --> 00:51:52,440
everything that you have on a UAP case

1306
00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:55,619
from December of 2022 but it actually

1307
00:52:00,829 --> 00:51:58,260
happened November 30th what happens is

1308
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:00,839
they can come back and say sorry John we

1309
00:52:06,049 --> 00:52:03,359
have no records but you were so specific

1310
00:52:08,089 --> 00:52:06,059
that you just missed the month and yes

1311
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,099
they do play those types of games and

1312
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,319
I've learned the hard way so you skirt

1313
00:52:15,770 --> 00:52:12,960
the line between not being too broad but

1314
00:52:17,390 --> 00:52:15,780
not being too specific you want to skirt

1315
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,400
the line in the middle and get as much

1316
00:52:23,569 --> 00:52:19,920
as you can and don't be afraid to be

1317
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:23,579
creative to go for for email searches

1318
00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:26,400
and and try and figure out the best uh

1319
00:52:30,349 --> 00:52:28,140
way to ask for things and a lot of it is

1320
00:52:33,410 --> 00:52:30,359
trial and error you know it's it's I

1321
00:52:36,049 --> 00:52:33,420
don't consider anybody a foia expert uh

1322
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,059
just simply because I I think that that

1323
00:52:40,430 --> 00:52:38,640
all of us who utilize it even if you

1324
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,440
filed more than 10 000 cases we're

1325
00:52:43,970 --> 00:52:42,480
learning stuff all the time and then

1326
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,980
when you think that you've learned it or

1327
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:46,319
mastered it they change it and that

1328
00:52:52,849 --> 00:52:50,400
makes it even worse so so the the bottom

1329
00:52:55,790 --> 00:52:52,859
line is just be patient you know and and

1330
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,800
realize that on the other on the other

1331
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,079
hand uh of all of this on the other side

1332
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:00,240
of the telephone or or the receiving end

1333
00:53:04,730 --> 00:53:02,640
who gets your email uh is a human being

1334
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,740
and I think a lot of people forget that

1335
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:06,240
because they just think everybody's just

1336
00:53:10,730 --> 00:53:08,460
a big bad evil government person sure

1337
00:53:12,530 --> 00:53:10,740
and they're really not you know I a lot

1338
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,540
of most foia offices they want to help

1339
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,880
you most foia case officers want to help

1340
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,800
you so just remember you know they're

1341
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:18,240
just like all of us for the most part

1342
00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:20,280
they want to help you sadly that's not

1343
00:53:25,130 --> 00:53:22,740
true and 100 of the cases but just find

1344
00:53:27,049 --> 00:53:25,140
that out on your on your on your own and

1345
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,059
realize when they are really bad get

1346
00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:29,280
make them give you a reason to not like

1347
00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:31,500
them uh because most of them are pretty

1348
00:53:35,049 --> 00:53:33,660
good I want to help you yeah and that's

1349
00:53:37,370 --> 00:53:35,059
something that you know you talk about

1350
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:37,380
the government trust and things like

1351
00:53:43,849 --> 00:53:39,420
that and we know that Within

1352
00:53:46,010 --> 00:53:43,859
various agencies and specifically uh

1353
00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:46,020
afosi with Richard Doty that

1354
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,119
misinformation and disinformation has

1355
00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:50,400
been prevalent throughout these agencies

1356
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:52,859
for decades so yeah you know how do you

1357
00:53:56,450 --> 00:53:54,900
how do you kind of keep that in mind

1358
00:53:58,430 --> 00:53:56,460
when looking at information that you may

1359
00:54:00,410 --> 00:53:58,440
get in that they something might seem

1360
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:00,420
off and like how do you

1361
00:54:04,670 --> 00:54:03,599
believe everything or not I think you

1362
00:54:07,309 --> 00:54:04,680
know what I'm trying to get at I just

1363
00:54:10,670 --> 00:54:07,319
don't really know how to trust them yeah

1364
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:10,680
yeah the the best advice that I can give

1365
00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:13,140
on that is is sadly

1366
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:17,160
you you have to trust them to a a point

1367
00:54:22,370 --> 00:54:20,280
but always question it right so you you

1368
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:22,380
have to understand that sometimes maybe

1369
00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:25,380
they are not knowingly lying to you but

1370
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,540
they're parroting information from

1371
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:29,520
somebody else that wants to lie to you

1372
00:54:34,010 --> 00:54:31,920
uh so so trying to weed through that

1373
00:54:36,530 --> 00:54:34,020
yeah is incredibly difficult whether it

1374
00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:36,540
be through spokespeople and and and

1375
00:54:40,250 --> 00:54:38,280
those trying to write articles or get

1376
00:54:43,309 --> 00:54:40,260
information in that way or going through

1377
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,319
foia you know and and the best way I can

1378
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:45,599
describe it is you're playing a game

1379
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:47,940
where they make the rules

1380
00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:50,640
they are the referee and you have to

1381
00:54:53,089 --> 00:54:52,200
play with your hands tied behind your

1382
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,099
back

1383
00:54:57,490 --> 00:54:55,920
and that really is the reality of it you

1384
00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:57,500
know and and when you appeal something

1385
00:55:01,970 --> 00:55:00,420
uh you do get different offices involved

1386
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:01,980
and you get different people involved

1387
00:55:06,650 --> 00:55:03,900
there's an expression that I use which

1388
00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:06,660
is always appeal it took me years to

1389
00:55:11,569 --> 00:55:09,660
know that I was wrong by not appealing I

1390
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:11,579
thought that the moment they said sorry

1391
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:14,400
John we have no records on this uh that

1392
00:55:19,250 --> 00:55:16,079
they just had no records why would I

1393
00:55:22,490 --> 00:55:19,260
appeal that but then after years I

1394
00:55:25,210 --> 00:55:22,500
realized no if you truly feel or have

1395
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:25,220
evidence that that maybe that's not true

1396
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:29,280
appeal it and you'd be shocked to to see

1397
00:55:34,670 --> 00:55:32,520
how many times that somebody else at a

1398
00:55:35,930 --> 00:55:34,680
higher office will look at it and go hey

1399
00:55:38,210 --> 00:55:35,940
you know what this search wasn't

1400
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,220
adequate enough and then they'll bump it

1401
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,079
back they call it remand so they'll

1402
00:55:43,849 --> 00:55:41,760
remand the request back to the foia

1403
00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:43,859
officer and say hey we think John has a

1404
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:46,800
case here we want you to re-review the

1405
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:49,020
documents or research for records

1406
00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:51,420
because he has a good case that that

1407
00:55:55,549 --> 00:55:53,819
something exists sometimes they'll say

1408
00:55:57,170 --> 00:55:55,559
sorry John we still didn't find anything

1409
00:55:59,569 --> 00:55:57,180
and then you're kind of you know left

1410
00:56:02,210 --> 00:55:59,579
out in the cold a little bit other times

1411
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:02,220
then all of a sudden things come up and

1412
00:56:07,069 --> 00:56:04,160
things that weren't found the first time

1413
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:07,079
uh are are found on the second search

1414
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:08,880
you know and even though they're not

1415
00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:10,980
held accountable for that because it

1416
00:56:15,290 --> 00:56:13,260
could have just been human error realize

1417
00:56:19,130 --> 00:56:15,300
that that part of the process works so I

1418
00:56:23,870 --> 00:56:19,140
always recommend to do it so trust but

1419
00:56:25,130 --> 00:56:23,880
absolutely verify and absolutely push if

1420
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:25,140
you feel that there's more information

1421
00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:26,880
because more times than not you'll

1422
00:56:30,349 --> 00:56:28,500
you'll find you'll find more stuff

1423
00:56:31,790 --> 00:56:30,359
you'll find more to the story

1424
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:31,800
yeah and talking about that you're

1425
00:56:38,809 --> 00:56:34,559
currently working on a timeline for the

1426
00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:38,819
the whole a tip allsap story

1427
00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:41,220
argument conversation whatever anybody

1428
00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:42,900
wants to call it and

1429
00:56:47,089 --> 00:56:45,540
do you still have a lot of like requests

1430
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:47,099
in with regards to the kind of missing

1431
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,720
pieces from that because we have

1432
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:50,880
conflicting data but I'm sure there are

1433
00:56:56,510 --> 00:56:53,520
still things that could come forth that

1434
00:57:00,109 --> 00:56:56,520
fill those gaps and smooth out this ever

1435
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,119
baffling conversation yeah yeah quite a

1436
00:57:04,609 --> 00:57:02,400
few and and they're still open and quite

1437
00:57:07,790 --> 00:57:04,619
a few appeals also so

1438
00:57:09,530 --> 00:57:07,800
you know I you often not you I often

1439
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,540
will get chastised you know if I say

1440
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:11,280
something and and it seems like I don't

1441
00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:14,400
believe somebody but but regardless of

1442
00:57:19,609 --> 00:57:17,940
what I think the the foia requests if

1443
00:57:21,470 --> 00:57:19,619
they come back negative I will appeal

1444
00:57:23,690 --> 00:57:21,480
them even based on that person that may

1445
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:23,700
question uh whether or not they're being

1446
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,920
a hundred percent uh accurate with what

1447
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:27,839
they're saying but I will still cite

1448
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,700
that in in a Freedom of Information Act

1449
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:31,440
appeal and still go for it and challenge

1450
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:34,319
it and say hey this former employee of

1451
00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:37,440
yours uh says X Y and Z you says this

1452
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:39,660
this doesn't exist I'm appealing your

1453
00:57:44,210 --> 00:57:42,240
adequacy of the search uh based on your

1454
00:57:46,130 --> 00:57:44,220
former employee and go from there so

1455
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,140
again I kind of hold no bias when it

1456
00:57:51,890 --> 00:57:48,240
comes to to the foia I will push it as

1457
00:57:56,329 --> 00:57:51,900
far as I can uh and until they say

1458
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:56,339
absolutely no you know uh so to try and

1459
00:58:00,770 --> 00:57:59,280
make sense of it yeah I've got numerous

1460
00:58:02,930 --> 00:58:00,780
foia requests that are still open

1461
00:58:06,589 --> 00:58:02,940
numerous foia appeals that are still

1462
00:58:08,210 --> 00:58:06,599
open the big one about OSAP which was

1463
00:58:11,210 --> 00:58:08,220
headquartered at DIA

1464
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,220
what I can't get a solid answer on is if

1465
00:58:17,809 --> 00:58:13,680
the DIA has released everything on that

1466
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,819
on on OS app and it's incredibly

1467
00:58:22,490 --> 00:58:19,920
difficult to try and get answers from

1468
00:58:24,890 --> 00:58:22,500
them because their foia office is one of

1469
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:24,900
the worst to deal with they are

1470
00:58:29,630 --> 00:58:27,839
incredibly backlogged by the tune of

1471
00:58:32,329 --> 00:58:29,640
like thousands and thousands of cases

1472
00:58:36,170 --> 00:58:32,339
right and so to get them to like even

1473
00:58:38,329 --> 00:58:36,180
call you back is is a ridiculous effort

1474
00:58:40,609 --> 00:58:38,339
um so that that I still have appeals

1475
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:40,619
open uh using Skin Walkers at the

1476
00:58:44,510 --> 00:58:42,240
Pentagon the book where it lists a bunch

1477
00:58:47,329 --> 00:58:44,520
of documents in the back that stuff is

1478
00:58:50,030 --> 00:58:47,339
gold because all that is tied to that

1479
00:58:51,289 --> 00:58:50,040
former employee uh that worked for the

1480
00:58:53,450 --> 00:58:51,299
DIA

1481
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,460
and those he's saying those documents

1482
00:58:58,370 --> 00:58:55,920
exist so if he says those documents

1483
00:59:01,010 --> 00:58:58,380
exist then I can use that because it's a

1484
00:59:02,450 --> 00:59:01,020
published document uh meaning a book I'm

1485
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:02,460
pointing it there's a bookcase over here

1486
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:04,200
that's why I keep pointing to it not

1487
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:06,000
that anybody knows that but it's over

1488
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:07,440
there I swear

1489
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:09,359
um but I use that book because it's it's

1490
00:59:14,690 --> 00:59:12,720
co-written by a former Dia employee and

1491
00:59:16,609 --> 00:59:14,700
he says that those records are real the

1492
00:59:19,010 --> 00:59:16,619
fact that I can cite that again goes

1493
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:19,020
into foia appeals and requests sadly

1494
00:59:24,049 --> 00:59:20,880
none of those documents have surfaced

1495
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,059
yet other than the dirds which have all

1496
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,400
been posted with the exception of one so

1497
00:59:31,549 --> 00:59:28,559
it's tough to figure to figure out the

1498
00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:31,559
timeline because you have conflicting uh

1499
00:59:36,170 --> 00:59:33,540
information on both sides right so it

1500
00:59:38,450 --> 00:59:36,180
sure I don't pinpoint like one side

1501
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:38,460
being uh

1502
00:59:43,490 --> 00:59:41,160
the problem here all sides are the

1503
00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:43,500
problem because no one agrees you know

1504
00:59:47,930 --> 00:59:45,780
like they all come out with a story and

1505
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:47,940
that's what makes it uh difficult is to

1506
00:59:52,730 --> 00:59:50,220
try and figure out what that timeline is

1507
00:59:54,829 --> 00:59:52,740
what documents are actually there and

1508
00:59:56,690 --> 00:59:54,839
also what are potentially based

1509
01:00:00,410 --> 00:59:56,700
documents or private sector documents

1510
01:00:03,049 --> 01:00:00,420
versus Dia and then that leads to a

1511
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:03,059
whole new question mark so it's it's

1512
01:00:07,069 --> 01:00:05,220
challenging what I what I did with the

1513
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:07,079
timeline that you brought up originally

1514
01:00:12,349 --> 01:00:10,319
it was designed years ago for atip and

1515
01:00:14,089 --> 01:00:12,359
and Os app and to try and make sense of

1516
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,099
all the the different things that were

1517
01:00:19,849 --> 01:00:16,799
being said and the dates but recently I

1518
01:00:22,130 --> 01:00:19,859
thought okay let's let's expand it to to

1519
01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:22,140
post what I call the the post Ace uh

1520
01:00:27,650 --> 01:00:25,980
post OS app and atip era uh so I include

1521
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:27,660
all of us app any tips so it starts

1522
01:00:33,890 --> 01:00:31,200
about 2007-2008 and goes to date and it

1523
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:33,900
includes all of the stuff since then UAP

1524
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:38,400
task force uh Revelations Arrow

1525
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:42,240
aoi MSG like this is an impossible list

1526
01:00:46,670 --> 01:00:44,880
of acronyms to get straight but to try

1527
01:00:49,309 --> 01:00:46,680
and and put all these things together

1528
01:00:51,049 --> 01:00:49,319
but for me I like I literally made it

1529
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:51,059
for for me I don't know if anybody else

1530
01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:53,040
will get value out of it but I'll get

1531
01:00:57,890 --> 01:00:55,140
these documents from the government

1532
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:57,900
and you start to see patterns emerge of

1533
01:01:03,289 --> 01:01:01,200
like let's say briefings for NASA uh

1534
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:03,299
administrator Bill Nelson you start

1535
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:05,520
seeing when the UAP task force started

1536
01:01:11,150 --> 01:01:08,640
contacting NASA uh that was a discovery

1537
01:01:13,730 --> 01:01:11,160
it had never been revealed before uh

1538
01:01:15,890 --> 01:01:13,740
through a foia case that I did where the

1539
01:01:19,370 --> 01:01:15,900
task force initiated contact with NASA

1540
01:01:21,950 --> 01:01:19,380
they wanted to brief NASA on UAP and

1541
01:01:23,630 --> 01:01:21,960
requested that the director of the

1542
01:01:26,210 --> 01:01:23,640
International Space Station program

1543
01:01:27,710 --> 01:01:26,220
would would be in the briefing so you

1544
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:27,720
start seeing all these like little

1545
01:01:32,089 --> 01:01:30,240
things emerge and patterns and who does

1546
01:01:33,710 --> 01:01:32,099
what and where they are and so on and so

1547
01:01:35,809 --> 01:01:33,720
forth and it's kind of interesting to

1548
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,819
see the timeline kind of play out it is

1549
01:01:39,890 --> 01:01:37,680
far from over I could call it a

1550
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:39,900
preliminary release so there's there's

1551
01:01:43,549 --> 01:01:41,520
still a lot more to be done so you'll

1552
01:01:46,609 --> 01:01:43,559
probably see some major events like why

1553
01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:46,619
did John not put that trust me it's just

1554
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:49,260
far from over uh but that's that's the

1555
01:01:53,569 --> 01:01:50,880
intent with that is to just try and make

1556
01:01:55,490 --> 01:01:53,579
sense of it it is absolutely confusing

1557
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:55,500
you know absolutely appreciate that and

1558
01:01:59,809 --> 01:01:57,119
it's something we you know we we all

1559
01:02:01,549 --> 01:01:59,819
kind of want to understand the

1560
01:02:03,710 --> 01:02:01,559
well what it was all about and how it

1561
01:02:04,970 --> 01:02:03,720
worked so no I appreciate that

1562
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,980
um John I'm just gonna go and shut the

1563
01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:06,480
door I've noticed it just swing open but

1564
01:02:08,930 --> 01:02:07,380
I'm going to leave you with a question

1565
01:02:11,390 --> 01:02:08,940
because I can still hear you so sure

1566
01:02:13,309 --> 01:02:11,400
bear with me Dan has asked John what are

1567
01:02:15,289 --> 01:02:13,319
your thoughts on companies like Enigma

1568
01:02:18,049 --> 01:02:15,299
will data going to these companies be

1569
01:02:20,569 --> 01:02:18,059
trapped within government systems

1570
01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:20,579
that's a great question Dan

1571
01:02:24,890 --> 01:02:23,040
um here's how I would address that I

1572
01:02:27,530 --> 01:02:24,900
find it

1573
01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:27,540
and this is not against Enigma I want to

1574
01:02:31,030 --> 01:02:29,400
speak more generally here I find it

1575
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:31,040
concerning

1576
01:02:38,109 --> 01:02:34,559
that companies in the public Realm

1577
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:38,119
want to advocate for UFO transparency

1578
01:02:44,809 --> 01:02:43,200
and access to data and get all of your

1579
01:02:46,089 --> 01:02:44,819
information those who have had

1580
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:46,099
encounters

1581
01:02:52,250 --> 01:02:50,640
had experiences archive it but in the

1582
01:02:53,569 --> 01:02:52,260
same breath make a deal with the US

1583
01:02:56,270 --> 01:02:53,579
government

1584
01:02:59,930 --> 01:02:56,280
and partner with them or share data or

1585
01:03:03,829 --> 01:02:59,940
share information and I again I'm not

1586
01:03:05,870 --> 01:03:03,839
trying to talk bad about enigma but I

1587
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:05,880
find it really interesting that that's

1588
01:03:10,609 --> 01:03:08,640
going on and I go back to the mufon uh

1589
01:03:13,609 --> 01:03:10,619
Slash ASAP

1590
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:13,619
handshake that no one knew about for

1591
01:03:19,250 --> 01:03:16,319
years where if somebody went to move on

1592
01:03:22,010 --> 01:03:19,260
and they reported their information

1593
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,020
Robert Bigelow at the time who a lot of

1594
01:03:25,450 --> 01:03:24,000
people in mufon and I was heavily

1595
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:25,460
involved

1596
01:03:30,530 --> 01:03:28,559
not as a member or a board member but

1597
01:03:33,530 --> 01:03:30,540
rather I was emceeing for their

1598
01:03:35,030 --> 01:03:33,540
International Symposium and so I got to

1599
01:03:36,890 --> 01:03:35,040
to kind of hang out in some of their

1600
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:36,900
meetings and stuff during that time

1601
01:03:41,329 --> 01:03:39,359
simply because I was in charge of their

1602
01:03:43,549 --> 01:03:41,339
Symposium and keeping them on schedule

1603
01:03:45,470 --> 01:03:43,559
and stuff like that so when the Bigelow

1604
01:03:46,910 --> 01:03:45,480
days were going on it was just it was a

1605
01:03:48,829 --> 01:03:46,920
kind of a bizarre thing but nobody

1606
01:03:51,289 --> 01:03:48,839
really thought it was some government

1607
01:03:53,690 --> 01:03:51,299
program now fast forward that came out

1608
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,700
and the question mark was well what

1609
01:03:58,370 --> 01:03:55,680
information that somebody thought they

1610
01:04:00,530 --> 01:03:58,380
were giving a UFO research organization

1611
01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:00,540
what information is going over to the

1612
01:04:04,490 --> 01:04:03,240
U.S government was it their name was it

1613
01:04:07,130 --> 01:04:04,500
their address was it their phone number

1614
01:04:08,750 --> 01:04:07,140
was it a well what was it and so you

1615
01:04:11,450 --> 01:04:08,760
think that you're sharing it with a

1616
01:04:13,609 --> 01:04:11,460
private entity you know a non-profit

1617
01:04:16,130 --> 01:04:13,619
that that aims for

1618
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:16,140
UFO research and transparency and so on

1619
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:18,960
and secretly it's it's tied to the US

1620
01:04:23,930 --> 01:04:20,400
government somehow through Robert

1621
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:23,940
Bigelow and bass and and the DIA that to

1622
01:04:32,510 --> 01:04:25,200
me

1623
01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:32,520
under talked about aspects to that

1624
01:04:37,490 --> 01:04:35,460
entire story and how like more people

1625
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:37,500
aren't going what like how did that

1626
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:40,559
happen uh kind of boggles my mind a

1627
01:04:43,370 --> 01:04:41,760
little bit because I find that

1628
01:04:46,609 --> 01:04:43,380
fascinating

1629
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:46,619
um uh and concerning uh all rolled into

1630
01:04:52,730 --> 01:04:49,680
one emotion because I think that that's

1631
01:04:55,010 --> 01:04:52,740
that's something that if true meaning

1632
01:04:57,289 --> 01:04:55,020
the DIA really wanted access to that

1633
01:04:59,450 --> 01:04:57,299
data they're having a private

1634
01:05:02,150 --> 01:04:59,460
corporation uh through a contract

1635
01:05:05,030 --> 01:05:02,160
collect information on U.S citizens

1636
01:05:07,490 --> 01:05:05,040
that to me is mind-blowing you know

1637
01:05:10,490 --> 01:05:07,500
um and and if that's not true then to

1638
01:05:12,650 --> 01:05:10,500
what extent was desired and and that I

1639
01:05:14,569 --> 01:05:12,660
keep trying to dig on and and figure out

1640
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:14,579
but it's been however many years and

1641
01:05:20,569 --> 01:05:17,520
still no answers so now that we have

1642
01:05:22,910 --> 01:05:20,579
these these entities coming up Enigma

1643
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,920
being one of them that wants to kind of

1644
01:05:26,210 --> 01:05:24,720
partner with the government or has have

1645
01:05:29,809 --> 01:05:26,220
these meetings

1646
01:05:32,210 --> 01:05:29,819
that is the that is the source of the

1647
01:05:34,430 --> 01:05:32,220
cover-up for decades right that is the

1648
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:34,440
source of the distrust that the general

1649
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:37,440
public has on are we being told the

1650
01:05:41,410 --> 01:05:39,839
truth about UAP so now organizations are

1651
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:41,420
coming aboard saying well we want

1652
01:05:46,190 --> 01:05:44,640
transparency we want your experiences we

1653
01:05:48,250 --> 01:05:46,200
want all your information by the way

1654
01:05:50,690 --> 01:05:48,260
we've partnered with the US government

1655
01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:50,700
and that doesn't to me that doesn't

1656
01:05:55,490 --> 01:05:53,640
drive really well because it it's uh in

1657
01:05:58,370 --> 01:05:55,500
my opinion counterproductive same with

1658
01:06:01,609 --> 01:05:58,380
the ttsa deal I was fairly vocal about

1659
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:01,619
that simply because I knew and know some

1660
01:06:08,809 --> 01:06:04,880
of the people that had the uh UAP

1661
01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:08,819
material that were either purchased by

1662
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:10,680
ttsa or on loan

1663
01:06:16,490 --> 01:06:13,440
and the problem with that is you are

1664
01:06:18,289 --> 01:06:16,500
saying as an organization uh the

1665
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:18,299
government's lying we're we're bringing

1666
01:06:21,530 --> 01:06:19,380
this out to light we need more

1667
01:06:24,170 --> 01:06:21,540
transparency this and that so they

1668
01:06:26,569 --> 01:06:24,180
collect all this UAP material and where

1669
01:06:29,089 --> 01:06:26,579
do they take it right back to the US

1670
01:06:30,589 --> 01:06:29,099
military yeah now was that the best

1671
01:06:32,450 --> 01:06:30,599
option some people will argue with me

1672
01:06:34,609 --> 01:06:32,460
and say yes it was maybe we can get

1673
01:06:37,250 --> 01:06:34,619
answers but we haven't gotten answers

1674
01:06:39,470 --> 01:06:37,260
yet and the weird thing about that is

1675
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:39,480
the Army actually gave me more answers

1676
01:06:43,370 --> 01:06:41,280
than ttsa has I've written a few

1677
01:06:46,010 --> 01:06:43,380
articles about this tried to get answers

1678
01:06:48,109 --> 01:06:46,020
from both ttsa shut me down the Army

1679
01:06:50,569 --> 01:06:48,119
actually admitted they did testing and

1680
01:06:52,910 --> 01:06:50,579
so I I have that in writing published it

1681
01:06:54,829 --> 01:06:52,920
a year or two ago now and but the

1682
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:54,839
question mark is where is it so there's

1683
01:07:01,130 --> 01:06:58,319
there's these promises of openness and

1684
01:07:02,809 --> 01:07:01,140
transparency but we don't see it and the

1685
01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:02,819
question mark is why so that's what

1686
01:07:06,289 --> 01:07:04,260
concerns me about especially new

1687
01:07:08,329 --> 01:07:06,299
startups where you don't know who's

1688
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:08,339
involved I know Enigma really wants to

1689
01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:12,480
keep their upper echelon uh confidential

1690
01:07:16,190 --> 01:07:13,920
which I can respect

1691
01:07:18,289 --> 01:07:16,200
but you still have to ask that question

1692
01:07:20,450 --> 01:07:18,299
well wait a minute like who really is

1693
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,460
behind this and why are we getting in

1694
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:22,559
bed with the same entity we are saying

1695
01:07:28,370 --> 01:07:26,160
is not transparent to us so it for me I

1696
01:07:30,910 --> 01:07:28,380
love you know I grab my popcorn and just

1697
01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:30,920
want to see how it all plays out because

1698
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:34,260
it it creates so many questions for me

1699
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:36,240
that uh I don't know if I'll ever have

1700
01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:39,119
the answer to no no I agree and one

1701
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:40,200
thing that you mentioned all that with

1702
01:07:45,470 --> 01:07:42,720
Robert Bigelow and orsap and bass is

1703
01:07:47,150 --> 01:07:45,480
that we know or we've been told by

1704
01:07:49,250 --> 01:07:47,160
people that worked under big low like

1705
01:07:52,609 --> 01:07:49,260
Colin Kelleher and that there was this

1706
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:52,619
huge database that they created and then

1707
01:07:56,809 --> 01:07:54,000
people are saying well why do we not

1708
01:07:58,730 --> 01:07:56,819
have access to that database if it was

1709
01:08:01,010 --> 01:07:58,740
from the government that's taxpayer

1710
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:01,020
money and where is it or is it in

1711
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,599
private hands like that's a real thing

1712
01:08:07,970 --> 01:08:05,280
that crops up all the time people asking

1713
01:08:09,529 --> 01:08:07,980
me that I don't know so like what are

1714
01:08:11,569 --> 01:08:09,539
your thoughts on that you know have you

1715
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:11,579
have you gone for that database have you

1716
01:08:17,329 --> 01:08:14,400
have you tried I have yeah and and uh

1717
01:08:20,930 --> 01:08:17,339
really the DIA essentially says that it

1718
01:08:22,669 --> 01:08:20,940
just is not a Dia uh asset I would have

1719
01:08:24,410 --> 01:08:22,679
to look up the cases but I I know that

1720
01:08:27,169 --> 01:08:24,420
they've done no records on specific

1721
01:08:29,450 --> 01:08:27,179
searches like that for the database and

1722
01:08:34,189 --> 01:08:29,460
if it is something that

1723
01:08:37,249 --> 01:08:34,199
that Robert Bigelow currently has and it

1724
01:08:38,570 --> 01:08:37,259
was funded by OSAP money or taxpayer

1725
01:08:42,410 --> 01:08:38,580
money

1726
01:08:44,809 --> 01:08:42,420
if the DIA wants to deny it exists

1727
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:44,819
and say no we didn't want look ASAP had

1728
01:08:50,329 --> 01:08:47,279
nothing to do with UAP or I think the

1729
01:08:52,669 --> 01:08:50,339
going line now is they utilized UAP in

1730
01:08:55,729 --> 01:08:52,679
some of their work but that was not the

1731
01:08:58,010 --> 01:08:55,739
the angle of of ASAP so that's fine

1732
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:58,020
right like get the the controversy aside

1733
01:09:02,269 --> 01:08:59,520
whatever

1734
01:09:04,430 --> 01:09:02,279
if all that material is there and it was

1735
01:09:06,289 --> 01:09:04,440
paid for in finance by the 22 million

1736
01:09:08,769 --> 01:09:06,299
dollars over the course of of a couple

1737
01:09:12,769 --> 01:09:08,779
of years that went to Bass

1738
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,779
my thing is release it all yeah because

1739
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:14,400
the government is not going to say

1740
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,319
anything they denied that they had any

1741
01:09:20,689 --> 01:09:18,719
involvement in any of this UAP stuff now

1742
01:09:22,490 --> 01:09:20,699
I want to give the asterisk I don't want

1743
01:09:24,590 --> 01:09:22,500
personal information take all of that

1744
01:09:26,650 --> 01:09:24,600
out of course but I mean if there's uh

1745
01:09:30,590 --> 01:09:26,660
information in there photograph videos

1746
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,600
encounters dates times whatever uh throw

1747
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:31,920
it out there

1748
01:09:36,050 --> 01:09:34,319
right I mean we paid for it the the

1749
01:09:39,050 --> 01:09:36,060
general the the American taxpayer paid

1750
01:09:42,110 --> 01:09:39,060
for it so just do it uh the DIA if they

1751
01:09:44,749 --> 01:09:42,120
want to deny it then just do it I I

1752
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:44,759
don't see any problem with that

1753
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:47,520
um some I've seen argue with me when I

1754
01:09:51,890 --> 01:09:49,920
say that saying well you know he can't

1755
01:09:55,130 --> 01:09:51,900
do that future contracts those future

1756
01:09:57,709 --> 01:09:55,140
contracts that the amount of publicity I

1757
01:09:59,570 --> 01:09:57,719
feel his Corporation would get if there

1758
01:10:01,790 --> 01:09:59,580
was some kind of backlash for the DIA

1759
01:10:04,370 --> 01:10:01,800
openly saying no we didn't want this no

1760
01:10:06,890 --> 01:10:04,380
we don't have it no we didn't Finance it

1761
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:06,900
no no no and so Bigelow says okay here

1762
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,120
you go and then the DIA creates some

1763
01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:11,760
kind of ruckus after that uh I believe

1764
01:10:15,470 --> 01:10:13,800
his Corporation will be just fine with

1765
01:10:18,770 --> 01:10:15,480
the amount of worldwide attention that

1766
01:10:20,209 --> 01:10:18,780
he would get of a massive cover-up uh

1767
01:10:23,090 --> 01:10:20,219
that was all rooted to the defense

1768
01:10:26,510 --> 01:10:23,100
intelligence agency a military arm of

1769
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,520
the U.S government uh that uh you know

1770
01:10:30,830 --> 01:10:28,560
was spying on U.S citizens or their

1771
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:30,840
encounters or or lying to the general

1772
01:10:35,630 --> 01:10:33,600
public I mean the list goes on and on so

1773
01:10:38,090 --> 01:10:35,640
that's my long-winded way of saying in

1774
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:38,100
my opinion just release it all I truly

1775
01:10:42,649 --> 01:10:40,320
think that that information should be

1776
01:10:45,470 --> 01:10:42,659
with the people closing thought though

1777
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:45,480
if he funded it then maybe instead of

1778
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:47,040
publishing everything that he should

1779
01:10:53,149 --> 01:10:49,920
talk a little bit about Clarity on what

1780
01:10:55,790 --> 01:10:53,159
was ASAP you know what was that what was

1781
01:10:58,189 --> 01:10:55,800
that aim was it really what we have been

1782
01:11:00,530 --> 01:10:58,199
led to believe and if so then I go back

1783
01:11:02,450 --> 01:11:00,540
to the publish everything thing but if

1784
01:11:04,729 --> 01:11:02,460
it was not maybe we should get some some

1785
01:11:07,250 --> 01:11:04,739
clarity because it's they're Muddy

1786
01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:07,260
Waters they really are and especially as

1787
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:09,420
as the information that has come out has

1788
01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:12,239
come out uh it's only made it muddier

1789
01:11:15,890 --> 01:11:14,280
yeah absolutely and let's just stick

1790
01:11:19,070 --> 01:11:15,900
before we finish off and I really wanted

1791
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:19,080
to ask your opinion on this and your

1792
01:11:24,350 --> 01:11:21,600
opinion specifically when we talk about

1793
01:11:27,050 --> 01:11:24,360
orsap we know it's associated with skin

1794
01:11:29,570 --> 01:11:27,060
walker Ranch and this is a location that

1795
01:11:30,890 --> 01:11:29,580
throws up so much controversy some

1796
01:11:33,649 --> 01:11:30,900
people are really into it some people

1797
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:33,659
really are not and everything in between

1798
01:11:37,850 --> 01:11:35,520
so I'd love to know over the years

1799
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:37,860
through the needs era and so on right up

1800
01:11:41,870 --> 01:11:39,840
to modern day for everything you've seen

1801
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:41,880
and heard about what is your thoughts on

1802
01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:44,159
what's going on at Skinwalker Ranch

1803
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:46,440
you know I I'm not trying to get out of

1804
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:48,239
your question I truly don't know I

1805
01:11:51,290 --> 01:11:49,679
really don't I've never been there I'm

1806
01:11:54,050 --> 01:11:51,300
the type of person that kind of needs to

1807
01:11:55,070 --> 01:11:54,060
to see to believe and I would love to to

1808
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:55,080
be there

1809
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:56,400
um

1810
01:11:59,870 --> 01:11:58,320
I worked for History Channel for a long

1811
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,880
time and produced for them so I don't

1812
01:12:04,850 --> 01:12:01,440
want to seem like I'm talking bad about

1813
01:12:06,770 --> 01:12:04,860
them I wish that it wasn't a show on

1814
01:12:09,229 --> 01:12:06,780
History Channel you know that I wish

1815
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:09,239
that there was more independent research

1816
01:12:14,990 --> 01:12:11,520
with data that look if there was

1817
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:15,000
something proved by this Locale that we

1818
01:12:19,250 --> 01:12:17,280
saw it what I can say though is that

1819
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:19,260
there are other places like Skinwalker

1820
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:21,360
that have very similar stories one is

1821
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:24,960
the Marley Woods uh Locale I interviewed

1822
01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:28,320
um uh Tom ferrario who worked with Ted

1823
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,540
Phillips the late Ted Phillips who I was

1824
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:32,159
friends with for years and years and

1825
01:12:38,570 --> 01:12:34,800
years Ted was an amazing person and he

1826
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,580
published a lot of that uh data when he

1827
01:12:42,050 --> 01:12:40,560
would analyze you know physical traits

1828
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:42,060
what he called trace evidence with UAP

1829
01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:45,120
he published a lot of it I have most of

1830
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:46,920
the reports that were analyzed through

1831
01:12:51,290 --> 01:12:49,199
Phyllis Budinger who is an analytical

1832
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:51,300
chemist I've got all those reports so

1833
01:12:54,169 --> 01:12:52,560
that's what the kind of stuff that I

1834
01:12:55,850 --> 01:12:54,179
would love to see with with Skinwalker

1835
01:12:58,010 --> 01:12:55,860
and I know that they did a lot of stuff

1836
01:13:00,050 --> 01:12:58,020
with with Marley woods so there's

1837
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,060
there's locations that have stories very

1838
01:13:05,930 --> 01:13:02,880
similar to skinwalker

1839
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:05,940
I just get I just get skeptical when TV

1840
01:13:11,149 --> 01:13:09,199
shows and books surround it versus

1841
01:13:12,649 --> 01:13:11,159
investigation and people saying look

1842
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:12,659
this is what it is then the books can

1843
01:13:17,330 --> 01:13:14,880
come after but like show something where

1844
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:17,340
you go look this is what we recorded

1845
01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:19,920
this is irrefutable you know and and

1846
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,480
that's published out there whether it be

1847
01:13:25,550 --> 01:13:23,760
in a journal or whatever uh but that's

1848
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:25,560
out there and then yes books and then

1849
01:13:29,870 --> 01:13:28,080
yes TV shows and sadly with Skinwalker

1850
01:13:32,030 --> 01:13:29,880
we never saw it so I don't want to sound

1851
01:13:34,189 --> 01:13:32,040
like a I'm skeptical and just completely

1852
01:13:37,250 --> 01:13:34,199
shut to the idea

1853
01:13:39,410 --> 01:13:37,260
um Brandon foogle completely intrigues

1854
01:13:41,930 --> 01:13:39,420
me just the the way I've talked to him a

1855
01:13:44,689 --> 01:13:41,940
few times uh I hope to have an interview

1856
01:13:46,490 --> 01:13:44,699
with him soon but uh he intrigues me

1857
01:13:49,370 --> 01:13:46,500
just because of why he does what he does

1858
01:13:51,649 --> 01:13:49,380
and and the experiences he has had and

1859
01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:51,659
and why he you know invest the money

1860
01:13:56,209 --> 01:13:53,400
into that I mean that kind of stuff it

1861
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:56,219
fascinates me so you know I I wish I had

1862
01:13:59,570 --> 01:13:57,840
a better answer for you like yeah I

1863
01:14:01,610 --> 01:13:59,580
think it's a total paranormal hot spot

1864
01:14:03,890 --> 01:14:01,620
but I'm still no no I understand the

1865
01:14:05,870 --> 01:14:03,900
fence on it yeah I think a lot of us are

1866
01:14:06,890 --> 01:14:05,880
just I was just interested to to hear

1867
01:14:08,689 --> 01:14:06,900
your aspect you know because you

1868
01:14:11,330 --> 01:14:08,699
obviously were you're quite familiar

1869
01:14:13,550 --> 01:14:11,340
with the nid's days pre or this you know

1870
01:14:16,370 --> 01:14:13,560
in your face on TV so no I appreciate

1871
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:16,380
the answer uh so John listen one really

1872
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last question is what does 2023 look

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like going forward for John Greenwald Jr

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and The Black Vault

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me that's a great question uh you know I

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have all these plans uh coming into 2023

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and everything just kind of uh Falls uh

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flat

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um uh I haven't said this publicly but

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uh but I'll say it I was going to post

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it maybe later uh my dad ended up in the

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hospital the day after Christmas and so

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I'm sorry to hear yeah so world gets

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01:14:48,649 --> 01:14:46,080
turned upside down man when when uh you

1885
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:48,659
know my dad goes into the hospital

1886
01:14:52,189 --> 01:14:50,400
um so he's uh he's dealing with that

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01:14:54,290 --> 01:14:52,199
right now which in turn you know kind of

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01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,300
threw our lives upside down

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01:14:58,370 --> 01:14:56,640
um and why I say that is you know 2023

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as you look at the last couple of years

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with how crazy things have been man I

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have no idea what 2023 is gonna hold

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um I I hope that

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um

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I hope that I can really sit down and

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create the content that I want to create

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to kind of help the general public make

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sense of some of these stories you know

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that's what I love to do

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um a lot of times you know I'll get

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01:15:26,209 --> 01:15:23,760
documents that have never been released

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01:15:29,149 --> 01:15:26,219
before I love that kind of stuff who

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01:15:31,610 --> 01:15:29,159
knows what 2023 will bring some of the

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01:15:34,370 --> 01:15:31,620
cases I have open would be awesome if I

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01:15:36,590 --> 01:15:34,380
got the released material tomorrow but

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01:15:38,930 --> 01:15:36,600
as we talked about earlier in the show I

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01:15:40,030 --> 01:15:38,940
have no idea if it's going to be 2033 by

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the time

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so I have no idea but you know I just I

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kind of take it one day at a time and

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the UFO field specifically fascinates me

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to no end because we have no idea what's

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01:15:53,630 --> 01:15:51,960
going to come tomorrow you know we

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01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:53,640
really don't I mean things are are

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01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:00,830
um morphing and evolving and and that's

1916
01:16:05,209 --> 01:16:03,120
what's the fun of it so what's gonna

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01:16:06,590 --> 01:16:05,219
happen your guess is as good as mine but

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I'm going to keep trucking away seeing

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01:16:11,149 --> 01:16:09,239
what I could uncover and and uh you know

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01:16:12,830 --> 01:16:11,159
create more content that I love doing I

1921
01:16:15,649 --> 01:16:12,840
just absolutely love it I just wish

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01:16:19,970 --> 01:16:15,659
there were more more hours in the day no

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I I fail you 100 on that absolutely well

1924
01:16:23,689 --> 01:16:21,840
listen John thank you so much for being

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01:16:26,290 --> 01:16:23,699
here and discussing all of your work but

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from one family man to another I really

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send you all of my best wishes for you

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01:16:31,790 --> 01:16:30,360
and your family as well thank you I

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appreciate number one at the end of the

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day

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um so to everyone in the live chat thank

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you so much for being here this has been

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01:16:41,570 --> 01:16:39,780
a fantastic conversation uh I have an

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episode releasing this weekend with Matt

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01:16:45,950 --> 01:16:43,500
Ford from the good trouble show that

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01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:45,960
premieres this Saturday and then

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I'm recording something on Saturday

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01:16:51,770 --> 01:16:49,739
which I'll announce next week and then

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01:16:53,689 --> 01:16:51,780
next week I think I'm live with Philip

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01:16:56,090 --> 01:16:53,699
mantle to talk about the alien autopsy

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if my schedule's right in my head it's

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all over the place so thank you ever so

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much anyway guys and yeah take care